1 00:01:02,720 --> 00:00:18,730 [Music] 2 00:01:08,490 --> 00:01:05,820 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:08,500 Frank here with yet another episode of 4 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:12,490 UFO news network Sunday yeah on a Sunday 5 00:01:15,870 --> 00:01:13,960 nice change of pace we're actually 6 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:15,880 living up to the name of the show we're 7 00:01:20,850 --> 00:01:17,650 all ready to go we've got a fantastic 8 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:20,860 guest so let me bring in my co-host Jenn 9 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:23,380 Hanna to do the introduction do you do 10 00:01:28,290 --> 00:01:25,540 the honors who's our special guest for 11 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:28,300 today yeah we have an incredible guest 12 00:01:33,779 --> 00:01:31,690 today it is the iconic Chase krudsky 13 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:33,789 she's an experienced investigator and 14 00:01:38,639 --> 00:01:36,130 trainer with significant background in 15 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:38,649 US military and private sector and UFO 16 00:01:43,469 --> 00:01:41,050 research while employed with the US 17 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:43,479 Department of Defense chase earned her 18 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:45,759 master trainer Master Instructor title 19 00:01:51,149 --> 00:01:48,610 and a Akrid ation for biomechanical 20 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:51,159 engineering well with the DoD 21 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:53,710 she designed specialized programs and 22 00:01:58,590 --> 00:01:55,690 supervised force readiness and elite 23 00:02:00,330 --> 00:01:58,600 force protection she completed related 24 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:00,340 assignments with homeland security and 25 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:03,460 private sector security forces Chase's 26 00:02:08,069 --> 00:02:05,049 certifications include private 27 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:08,079 investigator international forensic in 28 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:10,390 evidence collections and certified 29 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:13,180 property and evidence specialists CPEs 30 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:15,160 through the international association 31 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:18,489 for property and evidence as such she 32 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:20,230 consistently demonstrates and knowledge 33 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:22,959 technical requirements legal parameters 34 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:24,430 and a commitment to evidence 35 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:27,280 evidence-based investigations using 36 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:29,100 current technologies and methodologies 37 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:31,750 deployed by professional law enforcement 38 00:02:38,009 --> 00:02:34,600 officials chase joined the mutual UFO 39 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:38,019 network in 1996 and was later promoted 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:41,350 to star team manager and deputy director 41 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:44,170 of investigations position she held 42 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:47,290 through 2011 in these roles she was 43 00:02:52,170 --> 00:02:49,200 responsible for the program design 44 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:52,180 protocols and investigation procedures 45 00:02:57,630 --> 00:02:55,209 for a national Rapid Response Unit 46 00:03:00,090 --> 00:02:57,640 this included supervising the most 47 00:03:02,069 --> 00:03:00,100 experienced investigators and having 48 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:02,079 access to the most sensitive and complex 49 00:03:08,659 --> 00:03:06,250 cases recorded to MUFON in 2018 chase 50 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:08,669 became director of Investigations and 51 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:11,290 maintains a field investigator SAT 52 00:03:15,539 --> 00:03:13,540 status in 2000 53 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:15,549 sixteen chase became a registered and 54 00:03:21,119 --> 00:03:18,120 official lobbyist for the UFO field 55 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:21,129 though her Lobby the field reports a 56 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:23,680 science and technology investigation 57 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:27,640 grew through her Lobby she has focused 58 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:30,640 on document declassification and serving 59 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,680 as an intermediary for witnesses and 60 00:03:37,710 --> 00:03:34,959 those most affected by unknown 61 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:37,720 technologies chase continues to work 62 00:03:42,869 --> 00:03:40,290 actively as a UFO investigator 63 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:42,879 responding to reports within the US and 64 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:46,090 abroad with a special focus on Central 65 00:03:51,149 --> 00:03:48,939 and South America Cuba and Puerto Rico 66 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:51,159 she has brought hands-on forensic 67 00:03:56,190 --> 00:03:53,169 analysis to numerous ancient artifacts 68 00:03:58,500 --> 00:03:56,200 an allegedly anomalous sample such as 69 00:04:01,409 --> 00:03:58,510 the elongated skulls in the Starchild 70 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:01,419 skull she is committed to an ethical and 71 00:04:06,449 --> 00:04:04,180 professional evidence-based approach to 72 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:06,459 the UFO phenomenon there is no 73 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:08,680 compromise when the truth is at stake 74 00:04:15,179 --> 00:04:10,750 chase thank you for coming on to our 75 00:04:17,969 --> 00:04:15,189 show today it is so my pleasure can't 76 00:04:22,219 --> 00:04:17,979 you have the most beautiful radio voice 77 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:22,229 of a female I've ever heard thank you 78 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:28,539 that was actually frank talking we're 79 00:04:31,379 --> 00:04:29,860 just so thrilled they have you on the 80 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:31,389 show today thank you for being here with 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:33,820 us oh I'm looking forward to it as well 82 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:36,010 yeah thanks a lot chase I really 83 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:38,020 appreciate it and let's say let's not 84 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:39,490 beat around the bush you've been 85 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:40,990 involved in a little bit of controversy 86 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:44,380 recently and this one obviously involves 87 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:46,840 your involvement long-term involvement 88 00:04:51,689 --> 00:04:50,590 with MUFON and when you recently you 89 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:51,699 stepped down as director of 90 00:04:59,460 --> 00:04:55,180 investigations and going back through 91 00:05:01,649 --> 00:04:59,470 your bio you had been deputy director 92 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:01,659 investigative investigations and start 93 00:05:08,939 --> 00:05:06,070 team manager through 2011 you started 94 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:08,949 with MUFON in 96 and you had those two 95 00:05:14,460 --> 00:05:12,250 spots in 2011 then is if I'm reading 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:14,470 your bio correctly you took a step back 97 00:05:19,589 --> 00:05:17,770 and then got Rhian volved and became or 98 00:05:21,060 --> 00:05:19,599 at least your involvement became a 99 00:05:23,209 --> 00:05:21,070 little bit more heightened and big and 100 00:05:27,409 --> 00:05:23,219 became director of investigations in 101 00:05:31,409 --> 00:05:27,419 2018 so tell us a little bit about 102 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:31,419 why you step back in 2011 and then you 103 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:35,919 step back up in 2018 yeah it I guess it 104 00:05:42,059 --> 00:05:39,330 can look quite confusing if you're I 105 00:05:45,659 --> 00:05:42,069 don't get that not me that knows all the 106 00:05:47,699 --> 00:05:45,669 details it's there's a lot of titles of 107 00:05:49,709 --> 00:05:47,709 booth on which annoys everybody 108 00:05:52,049 --> 00:05:49,719 including everyone and move on that's 109 00:05:54,809 --> 00:05:52,059 okay but the titles are important 110 00:05:58,619 --> 00:05:54,819 because they designate your job or 111 00:06:02,569 --> 00:05:58,629 position and we all know that the most 112 00:06:05,429 --> 00:06:02,579 prominent and important title in mufon 113 00:06:09,559 --> 00:06:05,439 absolutely the most prestigious is field 114 00:06:12,089 --> 00:06:09,569 investigator and state director so I 115 00:06:15,119 --> 00:06:12,099 wanted to make that really clear because 116 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:15,129 for 18 years and Buffon that's what I 117 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:18,969 was a field investigator and then I had 118 00:06:24,679 --> 00:06:21,849 a chance to become the star team manager 119 00:06:27,499 --> 00:06:24,689 by just filling out a one sheet of paper 120 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:27,509 sending it to the board of directors 121 00:06:33,809 --> 00:06:31,360 like everyone else explaining what I 122 00:06:35,999 --> 00:06:33,819 would do as a star team manager what I 123 00:06:38,969 --> 00:06:36,009 bring to the table and I was selected 124 00:06:42,869 --> 00:06:38,979 from that one piece of paper and I love 125 00:06:45,119 --> 00:06:42,879 this story because can I jump in here 126 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:45,129 and ask for a little bit of clear up now 127 00:06:50,029 --> 00:06:47,860 was this start team was this together at 128 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:50,039 that point or was this sort of a new 129 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:52,479 little organization within the little 130 00:06:59,309 --> 00:06:57,039 organization or how did that all work it 131 00:07:02,850 --> 00:06:59,319 was about a year after the Bigelow 132 00:07:06,899 --> 00:07:02,860 contract you know which failed miserably 133 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:06,909 we all know that and and unfortunately 134 00:07:11,429 --> 00:07:09,039 it was a really good idea with the wrong 135 00:07:13,949 --> 00:07:11,439 leadership in charge at that time but 136 00:07:16,559 --> 00:07:13,959 for now you know for now it was about a 137 00:07:19,109 --> 00:07:16,569 year later and we knew we needed a 138 00:07:21,929 --> 00:07:19,119 National Response Group because it was 139 00:07:23,669 --> 00:07:21,939 such a great idea and program so that 140 00:07:26,579 --> 00:07:23,679 was my job was to put this all together 141 00:07:28,529 --> 00:07:26,589 but now in a volunteer sense because 142 00:07:31,379 --> 00:07:28,539 when Bigelow had the contract with MUFON 143 00:07:34,739 --> 00:07:31,389 they were paid star team was paid which 144 00:07:38,969 --> 00:07:34,749 is amazing they weren't paid necessarily 145 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:38,979 but their ways and means and their 146 00:07:41,609 --> 00:07:39,969 logistics 147 00:07:44,459 --> 00:07:41,619 level and all of that was reimbursed 148 00:07:47,729 --> 00:07:44,469 which was amazing I've never had that 149 00:07:51,689 --> 00:07:47,739 that's so great right so it was my job 150 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:51,699 to bring back a national star team and 151 00:07:59,129 --> 00:07:55,409 that's basically to look into hot cases 152 00:08:05,399 --> 00:07:59,139 category three which is a case with 153 00:08:06,749 --> 00:08:05,409 physical evidence so I got a call and 154 00:08:08,459 --> 00:08:06,759 they said this is just a great story I 155 00:08:11,249 --> 00:08:08,469 just have to throw in because it meant 156 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:11,259 so much to me Chuck Weaver called to 157 00:08:19,139 --> 00:08:13,419 offer me the position this was you know 158 00:08:20,579 --> 00:08:19,149 back in 2009 and he he had my husband 159 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,589 answered the phone he asked for chase I 160 00:08:24,659 --> 00:08:22,479 get on the phone and he kind of stumbled 161 00:08:26,729 --> 00:08:24,669 for a moment which I didn't think much 162 00:08:29,579 --> 00:08:26,739 of it and he just apologized he said 163 00:08:31,409 --> 00:08:29,589 chase I I'm sorry I'm calling at this a 164 00:08:33,689 --> 00:08:31,419 Chuck Reaver of you know Board of 165 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:33,699 Directors a MUFON and we're calling to 166 00:08:38,129 --> 00:08:35,169 offer you the start team manager 167 00:08:39,869 --> 00:08:38,139 position but I'm a little dumbstruck 168 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:39,879 because the one thing we didn't know is 169 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:44,290 that you were female chase and I guess 170 00:08:49,019 --> 00:08:45,850 with my credentials it never occurred to 171 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:49,029 them I was a female and he said this is 172 00:08:52,499 --> 00:08:49,689 even better 173 00:08:56,220 --> 00:08:52,509 and I love that because I got that job 174 00:08:59,090 --> 00:08:56,230 without any kind of gender identity it 175 00:09:02,100 --> 00:08:59,100 was all on what I brought to the table 176 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:02,110 so it's it's one of my favorite stories 177 00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:04,990 I'd like to look back on and and I like 178 00:09:10,769 --> 00:09:07,839 to remind people sometimes when you know 179 00:09:13,439 --> 00:09:10,779 they want to talk about you know the 180 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:13,449 treatment of women and move on it's like 181 00:09:19,249 --> 00:09:16,720 I don't know guys I maybe you expect too 182 00:09:21,869 --> 00:09:19,259 much I don't know but I love that story 183 00:09:24,569 --> 00:09:21,879 I did take a little break after star 184 00:09:28,769 --> 00:09:24,579 team that's very public it's well known 185 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:28,779 and then I came back and I met Jan 186 00:09:36,449 --> 00:09:31,180 horizon-- for the first time at a 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:36,459 conference and I was avoiding him like 188 00:09:43,429 --> 00:09:39,370 the plague actually and he invited me to 189 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:43,439 lunch and I surprisingly even to myself 190 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:46,000 said sure I'll go to lunch with you 191 00:09:50,189 --> 00:09:48,130 and I remember following him down the 192 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:50,199 escalator and I'm thinking I'm not gonna 193 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:52,480 like this man and I have definitely not 194 00:09:57,150 --> 00:09:54,100 gonna trust him 195 00:09:59,130 --> 00:09:57,160 but how interesting you know that I'm 196 00:10:02,220 --> 00:09:59,140 going to lunch with this guy I don't 197 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:02,230 like and about 15 minutes when lunch 198 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:04,360 started I forgot all about that 199 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:07,690 he became really great allies and 200 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:09,820 colleagues and I worked together ever 201 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:11,430 since 202 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:14,800 and then in 2018 you became a director 203 00:10:18,329 --> 00:10:16,120 of investigations 204 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:18,339 now is this the same spot that Chris 205 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:20,110 Cogswell had and then turned around and 206 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:22,990 dropped fairly quickly or was he 207 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:25,600 director of scientific investigations or 208 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:27,970 how did the spot become available in the 209 00:10:32,819 --> 00:10:28,630 first place 210 00:10:37,139 --> 00:10:32,829 in 2018 yeah director of Investigation 211 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:37,149 is move on to number two it's literally 212 00:10:43,319 --> 00:10:40,300 right under Jan Tarzan and the spot 213 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:43,329 became available because the other DOI 214 00:10:48,509 --> 00:10:46,000 or the last one was Steve Hudgens and 215 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:48,519 not only was he being transferred to 216 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:51,760 international it's a tough job I mean 217 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:53,200 you know he had done it for six years 218 00:10:57,889 --> 00:10:55,750 and you know it was just time to roll 219 00:11:03,329 --> 00:10:57,899 over and do something else for a while 220 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:03,339 so I I absolutely took the position I 221 00:11:08,939 --> 00:11:06,850 accepted it and I loved every second of 222 00:11:11,550 --> 00:11:08,949 it I have wanted to be the keyhole High 223 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:11,560 and move on since I started everyone 224 00:11:19,319 --> 00:11:15,220 knew that I was so thrilled to have that 225 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:19,329 position and then there just came a 226 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:23,649 point when I'm out there I fly out to 227 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:25,810 California in a meeting with Jan in the 228 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:27,970 office which was funny because some of 229 00:11:32,730 --> 00:11:30,399 these rumors about us not getting along 230 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:32,740 dropped when I was in California at the 231 00:11:37,199 --> 00:11:35,230 office as we're working together having 232 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:37,209 a great time by the way and we're just 233 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:38,560 looking at each other like wait what 234 00:11:48,210 --> 00:11:44,410 wait what but um you know it just things 235 00:11:53,730 --> 00:11:48,220 start piling up and the reason I step 236 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:53,740 down as do i 100% is this how selfish it 237 00:12:01,110 --> 00:11:56,019 would be for me to continue in that 238 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:01,120 position that really requires 40 to 60 239 00:12:07,730 --> 00:12:05,380 hours a week when almost monthly I have 240 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:07,740 to ask everybody state direct 241 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:11,910 and everyone else hey guys keep that 242 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:15,150 stuff on your plate I have to go to Peru 243 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:17,310 for two weeks and then the next month 244 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:19,710 I'm going to be gone the entire month 245 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:21,210 because I'm traveling with this project 246 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:25,740 and and I promise you guys it's July 247 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:28,650 August and maybe maybe parts of 248 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:31,110 September but I also have two huge 249 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:34,680 conferences in September and I realized 250 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:36,090 oh my gosh 251 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:39,990 I truly bit off more than I can chew so 252 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:42,810 what do you take off your plate the 253 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:46,890 whole thing I could take off would be 254 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:49,860 the fairness and not to be selfish I 255 00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,220 wanted that job you guys oh my gosh but 256 00:12:58,190 --> 00:12:55,920 it but it wasn't fair to everyone else 257 00:13:00,320 --> 00:12:58,200 who could put the hours in who could 258 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:00,330 give these state directors and the field 259 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:02,550 investigators you know the full-time 260 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:05,250 attention they deserve they deserve that 261 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:07,290 attention they haven't always gotten it 262 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:09,570 in the past so by me taking that 263 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:12,090 position and just asking them to hang on 264 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:16,290 because you know I love you guys it was 265 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:19,590 just selfish and being able to step down 266 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:22,410 as number two in move on to go back to 267 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:26,130 exactly where I was a year ago I'm still 268 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:29,520 in sat I'm still like everything the 269 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:31,620 only thing that changed was I'm not the 270 00:13:37,220 --> 00:13:34,050 director of Investigations anymore still 271 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:37,230 very very loyal to MUFON I'm still a 272 00:13:44,660 --> 00:13:40,410 MUFON I'm still kicking it Jan and I get 273 00:13:47,450 --> 00:13:44,670 along fabulously I we where we just got 274 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:47,460 back from a cruise together not me and 275 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:50,370 him together that sounded bad my husband 276 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:52,380 was there his wife it was a MUFON 277 00:13:59,690 --> 00:13:56,490 speaking cruise you know it's a seminar 278 00:14:01,580 --> 00:13:59,700 at sea basically it was awesome we had 279 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:01,590 the best time 280 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:04,050 not only onboard but you know we were 281 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:07,110 touring Mayan ruins going through 282 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:10,170 jungles walking up these drastic steps 283 00:14:13,940 --> 00:14:11,970 and you know everybody kind of keeping 284 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:13,950 an eye on each other and it was just an 285 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:16,880 amazing experience but the truth is 286 00:14:21,319 --> 00:14:20,550 giving up the DOI position I still 287 00:14:26,449 --> 00:14:21,329 didn't have to give 288 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:26,459 investigating for MUFON I just had to 289 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:29,610 step down to the most prestigious or 290 00:14:36,019 --> 00:14:32,730 step down to the most prestigious title 291 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:36,029 and MUFON investigator can't get that 292 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:39,569 being number two and MUFON you know with 293 00:14:45,019 --> 00:14:43,110 more I don't know it was it was awesome 294 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:45,029 it was a chance to maybe effect some 295 00:14:50,359 --> 00:14:48,689 changes and we did and if I if I could 296 00:14:53,419 --> 00:14:50,369 just monopolize another couple minutes 297 00:14:56,479 --> 00:14:53,429 sure happy I really wanted to say that 298 00:14:59,210 --> 00:14:56,489 in that short time as do I a lot of 299 00:15:01,160 --> 00:14:59,220 things changed and one of the things I 300 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:01,170 loved was we needed to update the state 301 00:15:06,289 --> 00:15:04,410 directors handbook and this is because 302 00:15:08,749 --> 00:15:06,299 there are other changes in MUFON going 303 00:15:13,699 --> 00:15:08,759 on and some policy changes we had to put 304 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:13,709 in a zero tolerance policy so for our 305 00:15:20,059 --> 00:15:16,670 zero tolerance for water any kind of 306 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:20,069 discrimination against women race gender 307 00:15:24,859 --> 00:15:22,290 I mean all of it it's a zero policy 308 00:15:28,789 --> 00:15:24,869 against any kind of discrimination or 309 00:15:31,429 --> 00:15:28,799 any type of actions that are 310 00:15:35,179 --> 00:15:31,439 inappropriate with regards to those 311 00:15:37,389 --> 00:15:35,189 topics complete zero tolerance so you 312 00:15:40,669 --> 00:15:37,399 know there have been things in the past 313 00:15:42,859 --> 00:15:40,679 you know that a plague move on unfairly 314 00:15:45,259 --> 00:15:42,869 by the way but they still have plagued 315 00:15:46,729 --> 00:15:45,269 us because you're a MUFON member when 316 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:46,739 it's convenient and you do something 317 00:15:50,179 --> 00:15:48,569 wrong when we're out there doing great 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:50,189 things you're not a MUFON member then 319 00:15:58,129 --> 00:15:54,410 put that's just how it goes but anyway I 320 00:16:00,199 --> 00:15:58,139 in the past the state directors handbook 321 00:16:02,269 --> 00:16:00,209 was always done by the director of 322 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,279 investigations and the executive 323 00:16:07,579 --> 00:16:04,079 director so that would have been me and 324 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:07,589 Jan and I decided wait a minute the 325 00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,569 state directors handbook why are we not 326 00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:11,759 asking the state directors what is most 327 00:16:17,569 --> 00:16:14,279 effective they would be the experts on 328 00:16:20,419 --> 00:16:17,579 this topic so instead of Jan and I doing 329 00:16:22,309 --> 00:16:20,429 it I decided that this year or this time 330 00:16:24,530 --> 00:16:22,319 I was going to invite the state 331 00:16:28,579 --> 00:16:24,540 directors so I write down for the names 332 00:16:31,309 --> 00:16:28,589 that were like some of our best state 333 00:16:33,619 --> 00:16:31,319 directors but also our most interactive 334 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:33,629 there they always have great ideas they 335 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:35,160 spot issues 336 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:37,290 you know quickly but they always come 337 00:16:43,699 --> 00:16:39,930 with sensible answers and it turned out 338 00:16:46,699 --> 00:16:43,709 to be all women so here at C's for women 339 00:16:50,809 --> 00:16:46,709 and me for the first time in MUFON an 340 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:50,819 all-female team work you want to give 341 00:16:53,929 --> 00:16:52,649 these ladies they're doin a mom or oh 342 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:53,939 absolutely 343 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:56,639 dinah it down the state director in 344 00:17:03,650 --> 00:16:58,610 florida absolutely an amazing 345 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:03,660 hard-working very fun prominent and 346 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:07,289 successful investigator and role model 347 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:09,270 and state director in florida and then 348 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:12,150 we had oh my god Cheryl in South 349 00:17:18,649 --> 00:17:15,030 Carolina just a dominant force she's 350 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:18,659 tiny she's a little dynamo so smart they 351 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:21,360 really understand investigations and 352 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:24,079 team-building and then we had Maureen 353 00:17:30,649 --> 00:17:26,850 Morgan in Washington the state of 354 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:30,659 Washington just one of our newest and 355 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:33,809 best talents she's just amazing she 356 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:38,760 brings a lot of knowledge into her title 357 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:41,720 and into that state and then we have 358 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:45,630 Stacey Wright from Phoenix MUFON who 359 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:49,530 everyone knows I just I hold them on a 360 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:51,510 pedestal but they deserve it 361 00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:55,049 MUFON Phoenix MUFON they're untouchable 362 00:17:59,659 --> 00:17:57,419 then golden we had her on a little over 363 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,669 a week ago great oh my gosh then you 364 00:18:04,159 --> 00:18:02,340 know she's just amazing and she and Jim 365 00:18:06,289 --> 00:18:04,169 Mann run the state she's actually an 366 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:06,299 assistant state director we forget that 367 00:18:14,029 --> 00:18:09,360 sometimes because the gym and Stacey are 368 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:14,039 at the dynamic duo of MUFON and but just 369 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:17,850 the most capable smart women and for the 370 00:18:23,210 --> 00:18:19,890 end we broke that ceiling for the first 371 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:23,220 time a major project the document that 372 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:27,750 will basically run the ethics and rules 373 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:29,640 and procedures of state directors was 374 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:35,250 done by women oh my gosh so men did get 375 00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:36,780 a little riled a you know there was a 376 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:39,030 comment about well you know maybe that 377 00:18:42,529 --> 00:18:41,130 you know maybe a guy should and I knew 378 00:18:44,539 --> 00:18:42,539 they couldn't stand it was almost like 379 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:44,549 well don't you think a guy should maybe 380 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:49,110 see if the girls were okay but 381 00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:51,929 it was awesome and I know that Jan not 382 00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:54,360 only is gonna continue to support that 383 00:18:56,989 --> 00:18:56,100 that he's not going to touch that with a 384 00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:56,999 ten-foot pole 385 00:19:03,499 --> 00:19:00,480 he loves that by the way and keeping it 386 00:19:06,139 --> 00:19:03,509 the same got it now there has been some 387 00:19:08,779 --> 00:19:06,149 controversy involving you within the 388 00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:08,789 last eight weeks or so and likely you're 389 00:19:12,859 --> 00:19:10,409 stepping down is going to raise some 390 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:12,869 conversation as to whether or not this 391 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:14,940 played a role in your decision to step 392 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:17,249 down and that is the infamous leach 393 00:19:22,849 --> 00:19:20,700 letter it came out obviously he's not 394 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,859 one of your big fans chase I don't think 395 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:25,200 there's too much debate about that but 396 00:19:30,349 --> 00:19:28,440 did that have any role did that add to 397 00:19:32,509 --> 00:19:30,359 any frustration that you might have had 398 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:32,519 in continuing all these different 399 00:19:37,009 --> 00:19:35,190 efforts and deciding to excise the 400 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:37,019 director of an investigation spotted 401 00:19:46,609 --> 00:19:42,350 MUFON absolutely not I can tell you that 402 00:19:50,269 --> 00:19:46,619 his letter affected MUFON not even a 403 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:50,279 little bit by the way we had our largest 404 00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:53,609 membership month last month in over two 405 00:19:56,989 --> 00:19:54,169 years 406 00:20:00,259 --> 00:19:56,999 we had no mass exit people weren't 407 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:00,269 quitting out of horror kind of felt 408 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:02,940 sorry for him because you know he writes 409 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:06,480 also about 14 people and MUFON supported 410 00:20:12,649 --> 00:20:10,590 him and and I just I had knots in my 411 00:20:14,869 --> 00:20:12,659 stomach when I read that because I felt 412 00:20:16,909 --> 00:20:14,879 so sorry for him because I thought there 413 00:20:21,229 --> 00:20:16,919 are thousands of people and move on I 414 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:21,239 had hundreds of letters you had 14 Wow 415 00:20:28,609 --> 00:20:24,960 yikes and you think that's okay and good 416 00:20:31,999 --> 00:20:28,619 okay I really feel bad for this guy not 417 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:32,009 to mention that it's really hard to have 418 00:20:40,659 --> 00:20:36,980 you feelings hurt or to feel at all 419 00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:40,669 targeted when most of it was lies 420 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:44,840 misinformation and absolute 421 00:20:50,539 --> 00:20:48,600 interpretation oh my gosh I do not run 422 00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,549 the fad team who has a secret lab in 423 00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:53,039 John Ben trees basement in Pennsylvania 424 00:21:00,859 --> 00:20:58,470 and the fact that there's just one after 425 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:00,869 another accusation that he wrote in that 426 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:02,610 letter that everyone now know 427 00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:05,130 was untrue thousands of people in MUFON 428 00:21:11,030 --> 00:21:06,660 knew it wasn't true the minute they read 429 00:21:12,919 --> 00:21:11,040 it it's like well how many untruth does 430 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:12,929 he get to stay before people kind of 431 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:14,850 write him off as who don't know what 432 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,220 your deal is but whatever that childhood 433 00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:19,440 trauma is does it belong to Che split 434 00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:22,670 ski and that's exactly what happened 435 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:27,150 my friends are fine I you know I you 436 00:21:32,539 --> 00:21:29,670 know most people knew exactly what it 437 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:32,549 was and they were correct but when there 438 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:34,950 was so much wrong in it and so many 439 00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:37,080 false accusations that people knew 440 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:39,780 immediately what what are you gonna do 441 00:21:43,820 --> 00:21:40,320 with that 442 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:43,830 it's like Erica Luc's who just recently 443 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:45,929 put out a post as soon as she heard that 444 00:21:51,650 --> 00:21:48,840 I stepped down chase chase is removed 445 00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:51,660 for misconduct these people don't 446 00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:54,660 fact-check these people aren't going to 447 00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,299 the sources these people aren't telling 448 00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,600 the truth they have no verification 449 00:22:05,539 --> 00:22:02,280 they're not reporters they don't even 450 00:22:08,030 --> 00:22:05,549 have ethics where's the integrity when 451 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:08,040 you call yourself an investigator and 452 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:11,940 put out so much crap and expect people 453 00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:14,540 to believe you every week I I don't 454 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:18,750 understand this and yet it kind of goes 455 00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:21,510 over their head when their phone isn't 456 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:24,660 ringing first of all it's me but as many 457 00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,510 many other people because I'm still 458 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,460 getting invited to conferences I'm 459 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:31,140 speaking at Congress this year I'm 460 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:35,250 speaking at you know a gem six and this 461 00:22:41,030 --> 00:22:38,090 isn't bragging I'm so fortunate so 462 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:41,040 fortunate and I worked so hard I put in 463 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:44,190 that money I put in that time I I seek 464 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:46,470 out certifications and you know 465 00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:48,690 validation for skill sets you know to 466 00:22:55,159 --> 00:22:52,919 make our field more legit I teach you 467 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:55,169 know I anyone who wants to know I help I 468 00:23:02,990 --> 00:22:59,580 mentor it's it's ridiculous but I think 469 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,000 people are seeing these things there's 470 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:04,799 an audience for it there's a very very 471 00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:06,690 small audience for the Jerry Springer 472 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:11,880 antics of you know UFO radio but for the 473 00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,760 most part I don't see them going to 474 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,380 anywhere anymore I just 475 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:18,960 don't and there's a lot of talk that 476 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:21,750 they may not be aware of in support of 477 00:23:29,660 --> 00:23:25,050 everyone else I guess I guess it's 478 00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:29,670 really hard to put into words what do 479 00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:32,700 you do with people that you can't reason 480 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,920 with they're not looking for the truth 481 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:37,200 they're just hurting people they don't 482 00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:38,370 want to know the truth 483 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:41,460 if they did then Ericka Luke owes me an 484 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:44,070 apology and move on for lying and 485 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:46,410 putting out fake information that I was 486 00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:48,930 dismissed over misconduct it's 487 00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:52,980 ridiculous Janet I laugh on the phone 488 00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:57,720 over this it's it's bizarre and yet when 489 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:00,900 they're caught or it's very clear that 490 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,150 the last 10 things they've said is 491 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:04,400 untrue 492 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:08,160 they don't apologize they don't make it 493 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:10,950 right they double down on why they have 494 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:13,770 to do it or they just move on to the 495 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:16,770 next victim and you do feel victimized 496 00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:20,610 after a while when you're you know kind 497 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:23,300 of ganged up on we have to remember that 498 00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:26,010 Erica Lutz was definitely involved with 499 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:29,430 Phillip leach and Phil leach and Erica 500 00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:32,970 were involved with you know the guys the 501 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:36,060 UFO guys from Virginia oh boy the Ben 502 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:38,970 moss and his partner Tony 503 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:44,340 I know I know his name yeah and then you 504 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:47,610 have you know and norm Gagnon and they 505 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:52,050 find an article that was proven fake ten 506 00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:54,090 years ago which is why it's no longer 507 00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:58,500 available and easy to find that proof 508 00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,120 that Chase Plex key lied about the 509 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:02,760 cornfield incident there's no proof in 510 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:05,190 there there's no y in there it was 511 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:08,430 clickbait by the same author that two 512 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:10,920 weeks later posted chased let's key 513 00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:13,050 quits Buffon to join the Church of 514 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:17,190 mammoths two weeks later he authored an 515 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:20,430 article called fingering flipper yeah 516 00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:23,490 let's take you're talking about Jeffrey 517 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:26,990 preacher absolutely so let's take the 518 00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:30,040 credentials of that person and then 519 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:34,200 sneak it I have to tell you guys they 520 00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:38,650 emailed behind backs like all the little 521 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:41,080 friends around me and conferences about 522 00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:43,570 look what we have on chase let's key 523 00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,750 they didn't email me my husband and I 524 00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:48,400 look at each other and he's like these 525 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:49,799 grown men 526 00:25:57,539 --> 00:25:53,590 you know we're horrified it's like take 527 00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:57,549 a my tall boys you're talking about Moss 528 00:26:02,280 --> 00:25:59,100 and Angie Olin out doing all this 529 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:02,290 absolutely and and who are they 530 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:04,330 contacting the whole time and she sits 531 00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:09,340 back like Erica friggin looks it just to 532 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:11,320 jump in really quick I was on Erica show 533 00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:13,390 last summer and that debated moss about 534 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:18,549 the Socorro case and hide every it's 535 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:20,350 still up I invite everybody to give it a 536 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:24,130 listen that's all I have to say Moss 537 00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:26,200 Moss never does Moss never invites 538 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:28,929 people to listen to me debate him I'm 539 00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:31,630 more than happy to have people listen to 540 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:39,419 boss and his integrity in presenting the 541 00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:42,490 truth and what we're finding at that 542 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:44,740 birds of a feather flock together 543 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:48,850 so as Tony and his partner been in this 544 00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:51,040 norm Gagnon you know all band together 545 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:52,929 and they're sending out these emails 546 00:26:58,289 --> 00:26:55,570 like who look what we have on chase and 547 00:27:02,400 --> 00:26:58,299 they put it out on this new website they 548 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:02,410 have I have to admit I'm a little 549 00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:05,049 horrified and I'm just like oh my gosh 550 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:09,340 and again the investigators the guys 551 00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:12,700 with the integrity do not source check 552 00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:17,440 they do not vet their information they 553 00:27:23,610 --> 00:27:20,860 don't fact-check anything and so what 554 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:23,620 what am i left to do in Moss's case they 555 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:27,340 just make stuff up correct correct 556 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:30,460 so what do I do well I take that screen 557 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:33,490 shot of the website and I take their 558 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:35,049 email that they were passing around 559 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,390 behind backs and you know really slimy 560 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:40,240 maneuvers and I'm emailed it to all my 561 00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:43,570 contacts and my friends in 562 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:45,940 action companies and History Channel and 563 00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:48,250 a and E and you know like look what 564 00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:51,820 these guys are doing so you know I 565 00:27:57,210 --> 00:27:54,400 didn't have to counter anything I just 566 00:27:59,460 --> 00:27:57,220 helped them along you want this out well 567 00:28:01,620 --> 00:27:59,470 let's make sure everyone gets it 568 00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:01,630 including the people you didn't want to 569 00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:03,640 see it because they were smart enough 570 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:06,400 not to send it to Richard Dolan or Linda 571 00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:09,820 Moulton Howe or erase Hobbes so or a 572 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:12,540 chant or a frank somebody with integrity 573 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:16,300 out here and really my last complaint 574 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:20,130 with this with this whole little gang of 575 00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:23,920 character Slayers what do we call him I 576 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:28,390 don't even know is is what are they 577 00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:31,620 doing for the field absolutely nothing 578 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:34,120 jaesik let's keep stepping down as do I 579 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:37,150 was an internal matter in MUFON my 580 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:38,770 friends all know why I'm stepping down 581 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:41,380 and it wasn't even it's like oh my gosh 582 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:44,920 I'm not leaving MUFON it I was just so 583 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:48,190 shocked this became such a big deal but 584 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:51,610 it's for me it's in the end what do 585 00:28:56,940 --> 00:28:53,770 these people what are their motives 586 00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:56,950 it's absolutely diabolical it's 587 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:00,040 character assassination and they get 588 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:02,260 away with it because no one stands up to 589 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:05,920 them no one does you can't argue with 590 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:07,570 people that don't care about the truth 591 00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:09,880 you can't argue with people that want to 592 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,830 do the right that don't want to do the 593 00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:14,080 right thing you can imagine if I call 594 00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:16,780 her and and talk to her about this her 595 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:18,160 meaning Erica Luke's 596 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:21,100 or a Ben Moss these guys and they just 597 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:23,290 oh my they don't even know how to handle 598 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:25,480 something like that so you know what you 599 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:28,450 do you take it to a lawyer you go 600 00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:30,760 through the legal system because what 601 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:33,280 they're doing is not only wrong there's 602 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:35,170 a huge backlash in this country right 603 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:39,010 now about publicly calling yourself news 604 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:43,120 or media or some sort of avenue of 605 00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:46,690 information and lying if you can't prove 606 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:51,160 what you just said guess what you're in 607 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,470 big trouble you know and that's and 608 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:55,360 that's where I'm going I'm not getting 609 00:29:59,580 --> 00:29:57,250 into the he said she said with 610 00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:59,590 any of these people and I know that 611 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:01,420 they're gonna rile up and I'll be on her 612 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:03,430 show next week about chase klutz key 613 00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:06,160 again chase cookie said that we had no 614 00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:07,900 integrity because we get caught in lies 615 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:14,320 and and yet they do so you know it's 616 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:15,820 just a legal matters where where do you 617 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:21,310 go from here right I don't where to go 618 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:22,570 from here because you dropped a few 619 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:25,630 names in there while you were just going 620 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:29,320 on about all this that have a connection 621 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:32,560 to Kay GRA and I think that's where a 622 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:35,710 lot of people first became aware of you 623 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:39,430 and all your work and what I'm still a 624 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:41,080 fan of what they do over there was a fan 625 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:43,090 pretty much from the day they started I 626 00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,630 know I first started talking a little 627 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:48,340 bit the race this is way back in the day 628 00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:49,810 he probably wouldn't even remember this 629 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:52,120 but this was going back to the days of 630 00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:54,940 Jamie Havok hands little radio network 631 00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:57,640 and I think race not too long after that 632 00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,400 decided to hang out his own shingle so 633 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:01,840 why don't you tell us a little bit about 634 00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:05,440 race hobbs and k gra because i'm a fan 635 00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:08,620 of what they do over there me too oh my 636 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:10,560 gosh i think you asked that and 637 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:13,210 recognized that I had such a like a 638 00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:16,510 history with them first and I mean I 639 00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:18,540 don't mean to insult anyone out here but 640 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:22,990 no races the king of radio and radio 641 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:25,990 production he has the smoothest voice 642 00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:29,650 ever I love him he's my baby brother 643 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,240 everyone knows that we've kind of 644 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:33,820 adopted each other we can throw down 645 00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:36,490 every once in a while and but you know 646 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:40,180 in the end we're always family yeah I I 647 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:42,760 love K GRA I think they're killing it 648 00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:44,380 they're still killing it they're top of 649 00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:46,870 their game there's some other big things 650 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:47,920 coming in the future 651 00:31:56,370 --> 00:31:50,670 they're not done growing and expanding 652 00:31:59,730 --> 00:31:56,380 and this all started with a couple of 653 00:32:02,610 --> 00:31:59,740 guys who are just disgusted again with 654 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,620 how they were being treated and decided 655 00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:04,720 to stand up and move on without them and 656 00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:08,140 and in a lot of ways that's exactly what 657 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:11,080 we're doing out here is 658 00:32:17,489 --> 00:32:15,070 I'm not touching any of this with you 659 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:17,499 know the Ben mosses and his partner Tony 660 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:21,070 and you know norm Gagnon the Erica and 661 00:32:25,889 --> 00:32:23,289 the Phil they could go crazy for another 662 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:25,899 month I'm not listening I'm not giving 663 00:32:31,289 --> 00:32:29,080 you any time going to Peru I won't be 664 00:32:35,159 --> 00:32:31,299 there for two weeks I'm working I'm 665 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:35,169 doing things out in the field so knock 666 00:32:40,739 --> 00:32:36,999 yourselves out and it's kind of what 667 00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:40,749 race race did with Kay GRA he drew and 668 00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:42,009 and like everything else you have 669 00:32:46,259 --> 00:32:43,720 different positions and different people 670 00:32:49,379 --> 00:32:46,269 around you but there's always been a 671 00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:49,389 core group there and that's his family 672 00:32:55,409 --> 00:32:51,999 that's his tribe and that includes his 673 00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,419 big sister and I love Kay GRA I love 674 00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:58,480 these guys and you're right they've 675 00:33:04,739 --> 00:33:02,320 offered me such an immense amount of 676 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,749 opportunity to be the voice of fate 677 00:33:11,639 --> 00:33:07,840 magazine radio oh my gosh or that little 678 00:33:13,229 --> 00:33:11,649 nothing girl with those you know silly 679 00:33:14,999 --> 00:33:13,239 little radio show called Project white 680 00:33:17,789 --> 00:33:15,009 paper that I knew nothing of what I was 681 00:33:18,509 --> 00:33:17,799 doing at all it was crazy you learn as 682 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:18,519 you go 683 00:33:25,349 --> 00:33:21,850 I I just I booked on to fate magazine 684 00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:25,359 and you know and then again it's I have 685 00:33:30,869 --> 00:33:28,539 a problem Frank and champ 686 00:33:32,999 --> 00:33:30,879 I want to do everything so I think 687 00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:33,009 things come up I'm like yeah I'll do 688 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:35,649 that that sounds awesome and sure I'll 689 00:33:41,099 --> 00:33:39,100 do that and I find my calendar actually 690 00:33:44,249 --> 00:33:41,109 being double-booked sometimes it's such 691 00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:44,259 a mess that's crazy but I want to keep 692 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:48,159 rolling until I can't anymore and last 693 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:50,769 year I had a lot of I had a health scare 694 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:53,499 I stopped still dealing with it and you 695 00:34:00,629 --> 00:33:56,470 know it was prominent it was it's 696 00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:00,639 serious but I'm not slowing down it's 697 00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:03,580 it's I need to keep doing what I'm doing 698 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,340 until I can't do it anymore and as long 699 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:07,840 as I can still take corners on two 700 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:13,000 wheels I want to do that and one of the 701 00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:14,290 things that you're working on is 702 00:34:20,369 --> 00:34:17,260 something called the beltway team DC and 703 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:20,379 I believe you have actually relocated to 704 00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:23,230 the DC area so where you are attempting 705 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:23,990 to do 706 00:34:28,329 --> 00:34:26,210 kind of the the Steve Bassett thing and 707 00:34:30,099 --> 00:34:28,339 get the members of Congress more 708 00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:30,109 interested in the UFO topic is that 709 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:30,740 about right 710 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:36,020 it is um it's so it's amazing it's a 711 00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:38,450 game-changer and the first it's a 712 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:41,480 game-changer that I first witnessed was 713 00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:43,730 the citizens hearing for disclosure back 714 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:47,899 in 2013 and that was Steve's baby oh my 715 00:34:52,899 --> 00:34:50,570 gosh and he did I couldn't believe what 716 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:52,909 he did for the field that was a huge 717 00:35:01,150 --> 00:34:57,130 game changer and it set things up for 718 00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:01,160 our next big round of raising the bar 719 00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,619 bringing in true professionalism but 720 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:05,839 what I witnessed was on a Monday you 721 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:08,440 know you had this group of former 722 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:11,510 lawmakers up on a panel that were being 723 00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:14,210 polite very polite and attentive and by 724 00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:17,300 Wednesday and mostly on Friday they 725 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:19,160 themselves are standing up pointing 726 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:20,630 fingers saying we need to open those 727 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,089 rods well files we need to open that 728 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:25,760 Rendlesham file we need to get some 729 00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:27,650 answers on this and you know other 730 00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:32,030 little topics and I witnessed when you 731 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:35,180 present your best witnesses or your best 732 00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:37,970 cases your most credible and you're 733 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,580 leaving out the silliness of you know 734 00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:43,760 alien antennas and you know a lot of the 735 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:47,000 words like mothership and they 736 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:50,210 understood they got it so if these 737 00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,609 former lawmakers could understand with 738 00:36:00,120 --> 00:35:58,640 the proper Avenue that that's how 739 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:00,130 they're used to getting information 740 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:04,130 that's how they're used to disseminating 741 00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:07,220 and understanding information handed to 742 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:11,080 them in a situation like a hearing 743 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:13,010 Intelligence hearing we see them all the 744 00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:16,130 time on television then why aren't we 745 00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:18,859 doing that so I left that citizens 746 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:21,320 hearing completely changed no one we 747 00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:23,780 need to up the game and the first thing 748 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:27,380 I realized we needed was more evidence 749 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:33,880 or more evidence based reports and 750 00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:37,040 investigation report dispositions and 751 00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:39,230 needed to be scientific and the only way 752 00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,150 to do that was with forensics and 753 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:44,240 following the same rules as the 754 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:46,610 Institute of Justice so I went and got 755 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:48,350 my certification on evidence collection 756 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:51,380 and then I realized now we need to go 757 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:53,330 talk to them because now we're finding 758 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:55,970 the evidence and I have to say oh my 759 00:37:02,920 --> 00:36:58,250 gosh guys and I feel like I'm talking 760 00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:02,930 too much but one of the things that I 761 00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:05,960 realized also a couple years ago there 762 00:37:11,350 --> 00:37:09,140 is so much evidence in UFOs and we all 763 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:11,360 know that but why doesn't the rest of 764 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:14,380 the world or Congress no one cares 765 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:17,900 we're not messaging correctly so that's 766 00:37:23,530 --> 00:37:21,290 when I realized the proper way for these 767 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:23,540 people to understand what we're saying 768 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:26,770 or to even listen in the right 769 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:29,960 temperature to understand was by doing 770 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:32,270 it their way the way things are set up 771 00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:34,850 their rules which isn't offensive to us 772 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:38,720 by the way so I think going forward and 773 00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:43,730 now presenting what our real evidence is 774 00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:47,720 and how it works then people will care 775 00:37:54,070 --> 00:37:49,880 and we saw that with the nimitz video 776 00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:54,080 and the tic tac when a tip came out now 777 00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:56,060 people are paying attention and that's 778 00:38:01,540 --> 00:37:59,140 another game-changer it's so awesome I 779 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:01,550 had a question for you it was really 780 00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:03,250 interesting when we were talking earlier 781 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:07,280 off the air about your DC group the 782 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:10,370 Beltway team DC group that you have 783 00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:12,770 about a kitchen cabinet reference I was 784 00:38:16,690 --> 00:38:14,270 curious if you could share with our 785 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:16,700 listeners a little bit about that I love 786 00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:19,850 this group there is so much talent in 787 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,220 this area as you can imagine and people 788 00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:24,400 that are genuinely interested in the 789 00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:28,340 topic of UFOs that in previous careers 790 00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:32,150 never could be involved so you know we 791 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:34,220 have a former commander not my husband 792 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:37,220 by the way this is a female and we have 793 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:40,130 an international attorney who is amazing 794 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:44,120 and a very aggressive and well thought 795 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:47,380 attorney that specializes in war crimes 796 00:38:51,049 --> 00:38:50,270 you know there's just this huge group 797 00:38:53,659 --> 00:38:51,059 out here 798 00:38:56,479 --> 00:38:53,669 that we pulled together so that we could 799 00:39:00,679 --> 00:38:56,489 properly write statements talking points 800 00:39:03,469 --> 00:39:00,689 and dossiers so that when we are in and 801 00:39:07,009 --> 00:39:03,479 when we are able to speak to you know 802 00:39:09,799 --> 00:39:07,019 congressional leadership or even junior 803 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:09,809 staff senior staff of some of the 804 00:39:17,449 --> 00:39:13,130 Senators and Congress out there so 805 00:39:19,579 --> 00:39:17,459 that's the group that we have but I love 806 00:39:21,799 --> 00:39:19,589 the kitchen cabinet reference and so we 807 00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:21,809 kind of call ourselves that which is 808 00:39:27,769 --> 00:39:24,599 funny it's a nickname and that goes back 809 00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:27,779 to when Jefferson was president of 810 00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:30,119 course he had a cabinet like we have 811 00:39:36,769 --> 00:39:34,469 today and they were always meeting and 812 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,779 getting together telling him what was 813 00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,400 best for the country what he needed to 814 00:39:42,739 --> 00:39:40,619 do and he didn't always agree so he 815 00:39:46,989 --> 00:39:42,749 would take that back into the kitchen 816 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:46,999 where he would meet with a couple of the 817 00:39:51,859 --> 00:39:49,890 elected officials that he trusted but 818 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:51,869 also a couple of his friends that always 819 00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:54,150 had good advice and because they met in 820 00:39:58,489 --> 00:39:56,069 the kitchen they clean themselves the 821 00:39:59,749 --> 00:39:58,499 kitchen cabinet I love that that's 822 00:40:02,929 --> 00:39:59,759 fantastic 823 00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:02,939 yeah so we we call ourselves the kitchen 824 00:40:07,999 --> 00:40:05,279 cabinet right now it's really just you 825 00:40:12,169 --> 00:40:08,009 know really good friends and you know 826 00:40:13,759 --> 00:40:12,179 for the good of UFOs where do we find 827 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:13,769 our best information that we can put 828 00:40:19,819 --> 00:40:17,249 forward because we now we're now having 829 00:40:24,019 --> 00:40:19,829 that ear these doors in DC are opening 830 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:24,029 and they're opening quickly and we have 831 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:25,650 to be ready and we have to be ready with 832 00:40:31,939 --> 00:40:29,130 the right the right tone and the right 833 00:40:34,669 --> 00:40:31,949 material or we can shut them before 834 00:40:37,999 --> 00:40:34,679 other people get involved so we're aware 835 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:38,009 of that huge responsibility of we don't 836 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:40,169 screw it up for those behind us because 837 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:42,089 there will be those behind us we're not 838 00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:45,569 the tell-all so right yeah very excited 839 00:40:50,449 --> 00:40:48,359 about this regarding international team 840 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:50,459 of dreamers and exhibition investigators 841 00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:52,169 and people working together and building 842 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:54,390 good relationships and doing some real 843 00:41:00,649 --> 00:40:58,890 good UFO related work and more I think 844 00:41:02,269 --> 00:41:00,659 that you were mentioning at one point 845 00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:02,279 that you worked with Timothy I'll be 846 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:03,340 here you know 847 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:07,270 and Anselm iboga Kree ruse can you 848 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:10,230 explain a little bit more about that I 849 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:13,810 love these guys so this is where I get 850 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:17,320 involved a lot in South America Peru 851 00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:21,540 Bolivia the Amazon Amazon basin and 852 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:26,020 there's an incredible exploration team 853 00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:28,750 called boja Cruz I post them on my 854 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:30,940 Facebook all the time and I hope that 855 00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:33,580 the listening audience Google's them to 856 00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:36,430 learn more about them but they're just 857 00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:40,180 amazing and they're explorers that he he 858 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:44,140 and his team he meaning ants on and this 859 00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:46,540 group actually are the founders of the 860 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:50,680 candelabra in Caracas and they also take 861 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:52,120 care of it and of course they call it 862 00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:56,560 the it's the sea sphere or the Trident 863 00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:00,040 of South America it's just amazing 864 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:03,160 discoveries and this is the team that I 865 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:06,700 work with currently that's also led by 866 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:10,420 Timothy albariño so Timothy runs Inca 867 00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:13,210 quest and they have partnered with boja 868 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:16,870 cruise on this huge expedition down 869 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:21,700 there now I joined them last year and a 870 00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:25,690 lot of time like almost a month in the 871 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:28,060 Amazon which by the way everything wants 872 00:42:35,790 --> 00:42:30,850 to eat you plants animals insects 873 00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:35,800 everything wants a bite and we explored 874 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:39,640 for something specific that I can't 875 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:43,450 disclose in an area that human feet have 876 00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:45,670 never that the Amazon had never seen 877 00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:47,620 human feet so this is we were the first 878 00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,550 people in to this area and it's 879 00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:54,480 astounding the opportunity to work with 880 00:43:02,220 --> 00:42:59,680 these type of people that you know not 881 00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:02,230 to digress but you can imagine how much 882 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:04,600 time you want to spend on these do leech 883 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:07,810 letters and Erica Luke's you know just 884 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:11,260 raping you for your freaks and I'm I'm 885 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,210 in the Amazon it's they really don't 886 00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:17,880 mean that much to 887 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:24,040 we wanted to also know I just had a 888 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,020 random question for you and just to go 889 00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:28,480 backwards in time what gave you the 890 00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:31,869 impetus and motivation to even be 891 00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:34,839 involved in the area of your follow G I 892 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:37,480 wanted to know you know when you were a 893 00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,410 kid did you look up in the sky and gain 894 00:43:47,069 --> 00:43:44,079 knowledge or hope or have any dreams 895 00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:47,079 through that route or were you reading a 896 00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:49,960 lot what what caused you to become so 897 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:52,599 curious about this topic we all love to 898 00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:56,800 cover it was um I was home sick from 899 00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:00,760 school and my stepmother handed me Erich 900 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:01,960 von Daniken's books 901 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:03,640 Chariots of the Gods which I wanted 902 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:05,410 nothing to do with because it was a 903 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:08,290 church book and after a couple hours of 904 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:10,089 complete I can't stand the boredom 905 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:11,800 anymore I picked it up and started 906 00:44:17,099 --> 00:44:13,720 thumbing through it ended up reading the 907 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,109 whole book loved it I was so shocked I 908 00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:20,560 think at my age that I didn't even 909 00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:22,329 realize you could ask questions like 910 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:26,200 that against things you're told you know 911 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:27,640 like this is it this is what you're 912 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:29,260 supposed to believe this church says 913 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,890 this and that's it and yet there was 914 00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:35,680 always that question and I always felt 915 00:44:40,589 --> 00:44:39,069 like that person that Eve would either 916 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:40,599 bit my tongue or got in trouble for 917 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:43,540 asking things so when when I'm reading 918 00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:45,990 this and he's just asking questions and 919 00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:49,300 bringing out hypothesis that maybe 920 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:51,880 support why he considers asking another 921 00:44:54,930 --> 00:44:54,250 one I just thought that was freaking 922 00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:54,940 awesome 923 00:45:01,950 --> 00:44:59,130 and it was also freeing in a lot of ways 924 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:01,960 because I'm kind of that girl that you 925 00:45:07,319 --> 00:45:05,770 know in the desert with Moses I wouldn't 926 00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,329 have waited forty years after about 927 00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:08,800 three I probably would tapped him on the 928 00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:11,020 shoulder and said hey beau can I see 929 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:14,800 that map for a minute you know if I 930 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:17,130 thought that was just brilliant 931 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:23,290 questioning yeah also wanted to know do 932 00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:25,510 you feel like the future of ufology is 933 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:29,109 headed in a manner towards full 934 00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:31,089 disclosure from governments around 935 00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:33,700 world or you know it's funny I've asked 936 00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:35,619 this question of every single guest and 937 00:45:41,789 --> 00:45:39,700 I've heard different perspectives like 938 00:45:44,489 --> 00:45:41,799 you would not believe everybody has a 939 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:44,499 different point of view on that question 940 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:46,089 some people believe disclosure has 941 00:45:51,029 --> 00:45:48,729 already happened regarding governments 942 00:45:53,069 --> 00:45:51,039 around the world other people feel like 943 00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:53,079 they've had their own form of disclosure 944 00:45:59,489 --> 00:45:57,460 and in various ways what what is 945 00:46:01,859 --> 00:45:59,499 disclosure to you and how do you feel 946 00:46:07,709 --> 00:46:01,869 about it in terms of the topic of your 947 00:46:11,279 --> 00:46:07,719 follow gee I I love the I love the idea 948 00:46:14,819 --> 00:46:11,289 of disclosure I wonder in the political 949 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:14,829 arena because I think people tend to 950 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:16,450 think of the United States and 951 00:46:21,329 --> 00:46:18,940 disclosure from our government and what 952 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:21,339 our people would how they would react 953 00:46:27,059 --> 00:46:23,710 and you know and then I think of China 954 00:46:29,339 --> 00:46:27,069 and Russia and you know what would they 955 00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:29,349 do with an American president standing 956 00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:31,180 up saying something like this I think it 957 00:46:36,989 --> 00:46:33,940 would be like almost a joke it would it 958 00:46:40,019 --> 00:46:36,999 this would it could go in so many 959 00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,029 different directions that I believe this 960 00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:41,920 has to come from science and most people 961 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:43,630 know that I believe all government knows 962 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:48,640 that and I also believe this comes from 963 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:51,130 just the confirmation that yeah we 964 00:46:58,019 --> 00:46:53,910 definitely have some things going on and 965 00:47:03,120 --> 00:46:58,029 this is happening in drips but it's 966 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:03,130 happening at a rapid pace and I go back 967 00:47:07,499 --> 00:47:05,499 to the 60 Minutes interview with robert 968 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:07,509 bigelow who you know as a very 969 00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:10,630 successful CEO an incredibly successful 970 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:14,380 CEO billionaire multi billionaire who 971 00:47:18,029 --> 00:47:16,150 stands up and says they're right under 972 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:18,039 our nose you don't have to go to space 973 00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,680 to find life on other planets it's right 974 00:47:26,249 --> 00:47:23,680 here under our own noses and he had no 975 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:26,259 apology whatsoever for saying that UFOs 976 00:47:34,729 --> 00:47:30,130 are real and then government officials 977 00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:34,739 and again we have this ugly ugly troll 978 00:47:41,729 --> 00:47:38,710 behavior that when new guys enter or a 979 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:41,739 new idea or a new way of doing things 980 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:44,890 enters our field you know there's no 981 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:47,410 source checking again no fact-checking 982 00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:50,170 they don't call the source they just 983 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:53,980 start raping and shredding and calling 984 00:48:02,910 --> 00:47:59,440 out and I think of a tip and definitely 985 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:02,920 to the Stars Academy recently we have 986 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:06,930 you know somebody just talking about 987 00:48:13,380 --> 00:48:10,690 what Liars they are and yet they can't 988 00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,390 tell you one lie and again this is what 989 00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:15,280 we're dealing with is you know these 990 00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:17,020 statements that people will just make 991 00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,300 against one another and they can't they 992 00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:22,480 can't prove it they don't want to prove 993 00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:23,020 it 994 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:26,920 and how many things can they get wrong 995 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:29,920 before we no longer listen to them we 996 00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:32,410 don't right they're wrong from the 997 00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:34,540 get-go I mean Frank go ahead but I just 998 00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:35,860 wanted to make a little comment about 999 00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:39,190 that as I never knew that this level of 1000 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:42,900 crazy that Chase has been describing 1001 00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:47,010 existed until they open their mouths 1002 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,470 unbelievable yeah yeah I did just want 1003 00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:52,450 to jump in because excuse me you brought 1004 00:49:00,660 --> 00:48:57,880 out through the Stars Academy and you 1005 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:00,670 did for the MUFON Journal the interview 1006 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:03,850 with Louie Elizondo and tell us a little 1007 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:05,890 bit about that how the interview got 1008 00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:07,780 hooked up and what were your impressions 1009 00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:11,020 and did he drop any bombshells during 1010 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:14,800 the interview I I love that interview 1011 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:17,650 and it's fair to say that Lou and I are 1012 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:20,290 close friends to this day I still in 1013 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:24,610 contact with him I recently had the 1014 00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:28,510 opportunity to also meet one of my I was 1015 00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:30,460 total geek guys I was total groupie 1016 00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:34,600 Steve justice from skunk works I know 1017 00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:35,980 everybody would think it would be Tom 1018 00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:38,950 long our Tom DeLonge which you know he's 1019 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:41,620 awesome but I'd never heard of his music 1020 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:44,650 that would be my kids music I am the 1021 00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:46,660 biggest geek with Steve justice from 1022 00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:49,120 skunk works oh my gosh with the head 1023 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:53,560 engineer of the sr-71 I I felt like I 1024 00:49:58,530 --> 00:49:56,590 was sitting with royalty so but to get 1025 00:50:02,580 --> 00:49:58,540 back to Lou Lou is 1026 00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:02,590 open he's trying really really hard to 1027 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:06,700 tell us everything he can he was stunned 1028 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:09,490 with the way he was treated and the 1029 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:13,900 immediate backlash that he experienced 1030 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:16,420 to the point where I don't think they 1031 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:18,610 ever will talk to other ufologist and 1032 00:50:23,850 --> 00:50:21,130 get them involved in their projects and 1033 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:23,860 I don't blame them and I applaud them 1034 00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:28,420 for the absolute if you can't play with 1035 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:30,790 integrity we can't have you in our arena 1036 00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,270 we all are getting to that point I I 1037 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:36,640 certainly wouldn't invite an Erica Lutz 1038 00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:40,690 or a do pan or a Tony or you know norm 1039 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:43,900 Gagnon or a Phil leach ever to be on the 1040 00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:45,370 team with me or to work with me I don't 1041 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:47,020 know who would how could you trust them 1042 00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:49,570 you know they hopefully Ray witnesses 1043 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:53,080 they have openly betrayed colleagues and 1044 00:51:00,030 --> 00:50:55,330 confidence and and have said things that 1045 00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:00,040 were untrue how could you do it but he 1046 00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:03,160 was very shocked I could tell you not 1047 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:07,900 only have I vetted his service career we 1048 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:10,120 have to forget I think a lot of people 1049 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:13,360 forget this is an honorable veteran who 1050 00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:16,810 cannot falsify credentials there are 1051 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:19,000 laws against this I mean people are so 1052 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:21,370 stupid sometimes with their accusations 1053 00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:23,290 that he was saying he was more than he 1054 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:26,920 was this guy is the real deal I will say 1055 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:30,310 when I when I leave him I like him so 1056 00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:33,250 much he was so open I got so much great 1057 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:35,350 information and the next thing that I 1058 00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:37,390 think of is oh that's right he's an 1059 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:39,670 intelligence operator I'm supposed to 1060 00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:41,410 feel this way because he's really good 1061 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:43,840 at what he does right right absolutely 1062 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:47,950 and the truth is it is his job but 1063 00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:50,130 that's not the job he's doing today and 1064 00:51:56,490 --> 00:51:54,040 this what it what if they what if they 1065 00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:56,500 said this not true what disinformation 1066 00:52:00,840 --> 00:51:59,170 are they putting out there well what 1067 00:52:03,570 --> 00:52:00,850 they're what they have done and they 1068 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:03,580 have made this mistake going back to the 1069 00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:07,360 first presentation that they did to the 1070 00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:10,420 logs appearance on the Joe Rogan show 1071 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:11,710 and also even 1072 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:15,369 last fall at the Italian conference that 1073 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:17,410 the long end Elizondo appeared at is 1074 00:52:23,790 --> 00:52:20,320 that they have presented graphics video 1075 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:23,800 or images that in fact weren't what they 1076 00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:26,830 said they were they have they have made 1077 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:29,260 that mistake maybe a little bit too much 1078 00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:31,810 you know and and they own it I can tell 1079 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:34,660 you that they own it and they know that 1080 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:37,210 things get out of hand and you know tom 1081 00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,810 was not ready he's a rock star you know 1082 00:52:44,670 --> 00:52:42,640 he's used to a couple tough interview so 1083 00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:44,680 let's face it he's a rock star when 1084 00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:46,119 you're interviewed by Rolling Stones 1085 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:48,520 they they treat you like royalty they're 1086 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:51,190 giving him drinks there's accolades they 1087 00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:52,930 did not have any idea what they were 1088 00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:55,589 stepping into they really didn't and 1089 00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,030 unfortunately have they done this ten 1090 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:00,160 years ago or back in the days when it 1091 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:02,830 you know ufology was led by shuffle a 1092 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:05,890 and john mack and you know oh my gosh 1093 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:10,089 good hopkins they probably would have 1094 00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:14,650 felt this you know this is a it's a mess 1095 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:18,220 it's a mess out here and I think ufology 1096 00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:20,260 need to start standing up for itself we 1097 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:23,740 need to seize our destiny and the best 1098 00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:27,450 way to do that is to no longer tolerate 1099 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:31,540 you know these bad actor and to the 1100 00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:32,500 stars Academy 1101 00:53:38,609 --> 00:53:35,470 that's not these guys I don't know what 1102 00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:38,619 happened to us when like Dan and I talk 1103 00:53:46,109 --> 00:53:42,550 all the time about how how badly we have 1104 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:46,119 begged for military members to come out 1105 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:49,750 and tell us what they know and Intel and 1106 00:53:55,410 --> 00:53:52,150 agency people and government officials 1107 00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:55,420 and and then when we do look what we put 1108 00:54:04,670 --> 00:53:58,119 them through and we haven't even dented 1109 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:07,770 you talking about elizondo's I am I'm 1110 00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:10,450 sorry yes I am and I'm I'm so disgusted 1111 00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:12,670 because how dare they call out this 1112 00:54:17,609 --> 00:54:15,400 veteran when they haven't even looked at 1113 00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:17,619 it CD 214 they haven't even talked to 1114 00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:19,990 him I can guarantee you that half the 1115 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:22,630 people that are on them right now have 1116 00:54:28,109 --> 00:54:25,450 never spoken to any of them at to the 1117 00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:28,119 Stars Academy I'm a huge fan of what 1118 00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:30,790 they're doing of course anybody that's 1119 00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:32,619 collecting evidence and having it 1120 00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:35,740 analyzed properly meeting the scientific 1121 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:38,710 scrutiny and admissible 'ti I'm all for 1122 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:46,210 if Robert Bigelow offered me $1 offered 1123 00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:49,930 to fund my work I would do it because 1124 00:55:02,490 --> 00:54:59,069 there's nothing immoral over any of this 1125 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:02,500 and I absolutely would love to get some 1126 00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:05,290 sort of you'll move it forward in the 1127 00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:07,300 field and that's what to the Stars is 1128 00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:11,320 going to do when did we reject any 1129 00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:16,180 military member ne-yo I just don't 1130 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:18,550 understand I mean is it be or have we 1131 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:23,530 not wanted this decade well I do know 1132 00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:28,450 that excuse me again I do know that they 1133 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:30,520 have been a huge catalyst in the wheel 1134 00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:32,410 that a lot of people working 1135 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:35,500 independently of them have stepped up 1136 00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,140 their game because of what they've done 1137 00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:41,200 a lot of military witnesses have come 1138 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:43,300 forward especially in relation to the 1139 00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:45,369 Nimitz case a lot of that is a lot 1140 00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:48,040 better fleshed out as a direct result of 1141 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:50,230 them and it takes somebody like a Dave 1142 00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:52,750 Beatty who's kind of set up his own 1143 00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,910 little infrastructure to get some of 1144 00:55:58,740 --> 00:55:57,040 those guys to come forward but that he 1145 00:56:00,599 --> 00:55:58,750 has done an amazing job with that 1146 00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:00,609 they've been a real they've been a real 1147 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:01,960 catalyst in the field I don't know 1148 00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:03,849 wouldn't exist if it wasn't for what 1149 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:07,200 they did so right look at you 1150 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:11,010 absolutely that is some of the smartest 1151 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:14,650 observations absolutely and it's great 1152 00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:16,569 that's exactly how it's supposed to be 1153 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:20,079 these guys 58 bring a game changer and 1154 00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:23,800 they up that they up the bar and they're 1155 00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:27,220 making contacts and and they have the 1156 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:30,940 names and the titles that can call the 1157 00:56:36,809 --> 00:56:34,450 president of France why are we gonna be 1158 00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,819 against them and oh my gosh 1159 00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:38,319 because they're going to get the 1160 00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:39,220 information to the 1161 00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:43,000 people there they throw everything out 1162 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:45,460 into the field and they send the fields 1163 00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:47,260 gonna spend five years shredding it 1164 00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,390 pulling it apart you know people that 1165 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:52,240 have never even you know tested material 1166 00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:54,130 will weigh in on it the whole thing gets 1167 00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:56,680 so polluted or do they just hand the 1168 00:57:02,400 --> 00:56:59,410 canvas material they changed the game 1169 00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,410 it's not for us anymore what if they 1170 00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:04,240 just deliver it to the people that can 1171 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:06,520 actually do something about it hmm 1172 00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,030 talking about Congress now yes and it's 1173 00:57:15,450 --> 00:57:12,160 different than how we've done it before 1174 00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:15,460 it doesn't make it wrong it doesn't make 1175 00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,480 it against us it just makes them out 1176 00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:21,040 front right now 1177 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:27,430 it truly does and and I believe how they 1178 00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:30,609 plan to make this work is actually going 1179 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:33,220 to work because every time we put things 1180 00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:37,270 out in the public our best cases look 1181 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:39,099 what's happened with the Travis Walton 1182 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:41,170 case which I think it's absolutely fit 1183 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:44,650 with it and bulletproof and look what 1184 00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,770 they do to Travis look what they do to 1185 00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,099 render them and you know john burroughs 1186 00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:52,480 look at some of the things that we hear 1187 00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:54,849 about that if it maybe it's time we 1188 00:58:01,290 --> 00:57:57,910 don't we don't play in that arena 1189 00:58:03,089 --> 00:58:01,300 anymore and we start only speaking with 1190 00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:03,099 the people that can actually move this 1191 00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:06,430 forward I'm not against that could 1192 00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:08,380 especially considering what's been going 1193 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:10,630 on that I'm just realizing it to what 1194 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:16,210 extent of fleas people are capable of um 1195 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:19,210 chase you have a really wonderful thing 1196 00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:23,170 that just happened to you and rightfully 1197 00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,540 so I think you should mention it if you 1198 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:27,040 haven't already I'm sorry I had to step 1199 00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:29,290 away for a moment and that is an 1200 00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:31,750 award-winning best documentary film 1201 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:35,140 called the seating can you share with us 1202 00:58:45,859 --> 00:58:37,450 our listeners a little bit about that oh 1203 00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:45,869 my gosh and I have had this interest and 1204 00:58:51,089 --> 00:58:48,280 there's just me I think it's because I'm 1205 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:51,099 a female and I'm a mom but it's the 1206 00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:53,050 missing foetus syndrome 1207 00:58:58,530 --> 00:58:56,640 that we've heard about for so long and I 1208 00:59:01,500 --> 00:58:58,540 didn't really think there was a lot of 1209 00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:01,510 attention but it's just something that's 1210 00:59:08,550 --> 00:59:03,580 been in my heart for such a long time 1211 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:08,560 and Jack Roth in Florida approached me 1212 00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:10,510 about writing a book with him about this 1213 00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:15,940 topic and before we could really dig in 1214 00:59:20,070 --> 00:59:17,560 deep on that you know we were already 1215 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:20,080 talking to witnesses and getting some of 1216 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:23,890 our research done in background and Jack 1217 00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:28,050 and John known as such a fantastic and 1218 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:32,860 really moneymakers at Netflix with some 1219 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:34,120 of their documentaries they've already 1220 00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:36,430 gotten in there were called by the 1221 00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:40,780 orchard group to California and they 1222 00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:43,270 said hey we want we want more from you 1223 00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:44,800 guys you're amazing 1224 00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:49,030 so Jack dropped the missing fetus 1225 00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:50,920 syndrome which is how I became associate 1226 00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:53,110 producer I would have given them this 1227 01:00:00,450 --> 00:59:56,110 just because we have a brilliant 1228 01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:00,460 brilliant duo in filmmaking you know 1229 01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:03,940 with the attention on this topic but how 1230 01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:06,550 classy that they're like no chase 1231 01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:08,680 let's get you involved as associate 1232 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:10,660 producer and you know help us get the 1233 01:00:14,790 --> 01:00:13,090 witnesses and you'll help us get some 1234 01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:14,800 people in like you know Richard Dolan 1235 01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:17,500 and you know just there's some great 1236 01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:23,440 stars in this and I don't and we filmed 1237 01:00:30,210 --> 01:00:28,000 and I when I watch this I couldn't 1238 01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:30,220 believe it I couldn't believe it it's 1239 01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,800 really really good it is so good these 1240 01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,720 guys are brilliant and I can't and I and 1241 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:36,400 I have to mention Laurie Wagner because 1242 01:00:43,350 --> 01:00:40,570 Laurie it's just oh my gosh 1243 01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:43,360 her influence is in here you can see it 1244 01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:47,860 it's just amazing and to know that these 1245 01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:50,590 guys like Netflix if it loves it already 1246 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:52,390 working on number three because they 1247 01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:54,370 like it so much right so we got a third 1248 01:01:00,690 --> 01:00:57,850 one but it's winning in these film 1249 01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:00,700 festivals and I'm so proud of the guys I 1250 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:05,740 really am the the awards that this film 1251 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:06,930 is receiving 1252 01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:14,180 is really about John Jack and Laurie and 1253 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:17,670 I'm just so proud I am so proud that my 1254 01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:20,010 name is even associated and that I could 1255 01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:21,870 even be a very very small part and I 1256 01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:23,430 what I'm not being modest that was a 1257 01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:26,550 very small part of this and my heart and 1258 01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:29,430 just pounded like I own that because it 1259 01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:32,070 is a really good film but it's great 1260 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:36,600 because it features a topic that I I 1261 01:01:41,090 --> 01:01:38,610 mean listening to some of these 1262 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:41,100 witnesses and and the story behind this 1263 01:01:45,290 --> 01:01:43,050 my heart's pounding like stomachs and my 1264 01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:45,300 eyes I mean I'm just wrapped into this 1265 01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:45,840 story 1266 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:49,380 it was brilliant I loved it so tell us 1267 01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:50,850 about the story tell us about what the 1268 01:01:59,480 --> 01:01:55,230 film is about I can't write if it's not 1269 01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,490 released yet and but just know it really 1270 01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:01,680 focuses on handles and there will be two 1271 01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:03,900 of them on the missing fetus syndrome 1272 01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:06,780 and it's called extraordinary receding 1273 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:10,920 and Laporte soon very soon it's already 1274 01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:13,440 making its way through film festivals 1275 01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:15,710 which means really state should be 1276 01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:18,270 eminent as long as it keeps living 1277 01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:19,980 though it keeps stalling that release 1278 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:21,870 date and that's why it it's stalled 1279 01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:24,330 because well if it won this one let's 1280 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,590 put it into more right yeah um actually 1281 01:02:32,330 --> 01:02:30,480 I did have another question for you and 1282 01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:32,340 that is the investigation of the Malibu 1283 01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:36,150 underwater base we had an opportunity to 1284 01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:39,510 peek at the report regarding that and I 1285 01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:40,920 wanted to know if he wouldn't mind 1286 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:43,710 talking a little bit about that 1287 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:47,850 it's fascinating topic I love that case 1288 01:02:54,860 --> 01:02:51,570 because again if people want to say we 1289 01:02:58,340 --> 01:02:54,870 don't do scientific investigations and I 1290 01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:58,350 just roll my eyes like I can do your 1291 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:00,780 homework who doesn't do scientific 1292 01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,090 investigations because let me give you 1293 01:03:08,540 --> 01:03:05,400 this report let me show you the method 1294 01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,550 that we're using out here real quick I 1295 01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:10,440 just to jump in this is a real 1296 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:13,260 interesting piece of geography out in 1297 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:15,690 the sort of a little bit east of Point 1298 01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:19,650 Mugu there been lots of famous cases the 1299 01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:20,880 Nimitz case was not too 1300 01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:23,340 far from there the Kelly Johnson case 1301 01:03:28,750 --> 01:03:25,590 where he had a sighting in the early 50s 1302 01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,760 out that way of a UFO over Point Mugu 1303 01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:31,200 for those who don't know Kelly Johnson 1304 01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:33,990 is basically the founder of area 51 1305 01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:36,510 he was the first head of the Lockheed 1306 01:03:43,070 --> 01:03:40,140 skunkworks so he's a guy who knows his 1307 01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:43,080 Aviation two-time winner of the Collier 1308 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:45,180 trophy not too many people have done 1309 01:03:50,420 --> 01:03:48,330 that and he is a big deal in that or 1310 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:50,430 yeah he's past right now but he was a 1311 01:03:55,220 --> 01:03:52,410 big deal in the aviation field that 1312 01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:55,230 regard is one of the the top people ever 1313 01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,390 in the field he had a sighting out that 1314 01:04:02,510 --> 01:04:00,180 way and like I said the Nimitz case was 1315 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:02,520 not too far from there this is a real 1316 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:04,530 interesting piece of geography out that 1317 01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:06,810 way a lot of sightings in that Catalina 1318 01:04:14,090 --> 01:04:10,020 channel area and there was a photograph 1319 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:14,100 I believe from a Google Earth that led 1320 01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:16,050 some folks to believe that there might 1321 01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:17,910 be some sort of underwater structure in 1322 01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:20,040 the area is that about right that's 1323 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:23,310 exactly right and I think the reason 1324 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:25,170 people were so quick to jump on this 1325 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:29,490 Malibu underwater base allegedly was 1326 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:33,210 because of all the legit UFO activity or 1327 01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,960 unknown aerial activity that goes on in 1328 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:38,000 that area 1329 01:04:43,310 --> 01:04:41,250 nobody's debunking that at all that is a 1330 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:43,320 hot zone and we've known that for years 1331 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:46,530 but this structure was too good to be 1332 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:50,130 true most people if you just at Google 1333 01:05:00,350 --> 01:04:55,530 Malibu underwater structure Google Maps 1334 01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:00,360 this prominent picture appears something 1335 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:03,180 that looks like the entrance of an 1336 01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:05,730 underground base or a tunnel base under 1337 01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:08,520 the water and I was really struck by 1338 01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:11,700 that because of course if it's true we 1339 01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:14,310 have evidence we have testable we could 1340 01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:18,030 go down and verify evidence and that's 1341 01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:18,720 what we did 1342 01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:23,190 so I boarded a research festival decibel 1343 01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:27,030 I boarded a research vessel named the 1344 01:05:31,570 --> 01:05:28,980 bold horizon which is owned by the 1345 01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:31,580 Eclipse group and the eclipse group is 1346 01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:34,510 deepwater salvage that 1347 01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:38,950 they save everything from you know 1348 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:42,000 sunken submarines to downed aircraft 1349 01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:44,530 they're an amazing group but they also 1350 01:05:49,830 --> 01:05:46,540 found the Titanic for Steven Spielberg 1351 01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:49,840 and did a lot of that work with the 1352 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:51,820 exact same equipment I had a chance to 1353 01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:54,730 work with which was the Mohawk to the 1354 01:05:59,850 --> 01:05:57,820 ROV just to jump in really quick there 1355 01:06:02,010 --> 01:05:59,860 was this a clips group were they looking 1356 01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:02,020 for this structure as well or where they 1357 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:03,940 happen happened to be looking for 1358 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:06,250 something else in the area and you just 1359 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,410 got the invite to go along since they 1360 01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:10,720 were in the neighborhood anyway I got 1361 01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:12,580 the invite to go along because this was 1362 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:14,500 a TV show they were sitting together 1363 01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:16,930 with Jamie and that's how they call the 1364 01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:20,590 Eclipse group because Amy put a lot of 1365 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:23,110 bankroll behind the show because it was 1366 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:26,530 Rob Lowe and ah that explains all the 1367 01:06:35,850 --> 01:06:32,200 pictures with Rob Lowe yeah and and Rob 1368 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:35,860 Rob Lowe grew up in Malibu so he was 1369 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:38,170 always fascinated by the rumors of 1370 01:06:43,890 --> 01:06:41,170 submarines going in and out and you know 1371 01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,900 could go under the continental US under 1372 01:06:48,690 --> 01:06:45,520 these tunnels and thought that this 1373 01:06:50,550 --> 01:06:48,700 might be the entrance to it well as an 1374 01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:50,560 investigator I started like really 1375 01:06:55,050 --> 01:06:52,750 looking at this and you know immediately 1376 01:06:56,790 --> 01:06:55,060 I started having questions like both we 1377 01:07:00,600 --> 01:06:56,800 can see this structure at the depth that 1378 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:00,610 it is why aren't we finding the lost you 1379 01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:02,650 know aircraft and both in the Bahamas 1380 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:06,340 and why are we not seeing a lot more why 1381 01:07:10,410 --> 01:07:08,770 is it just this structure and we're not 1382 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:10,420 really seeing anything much around it 1383 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:12,250 like it just seemed bizarre it almost 1384 01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:14,890 seemed hoped which it was not a hope but 1385 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:17,590 the the photo almost seemed like a hope 1386 01:07:26,550 --> 01:07:22,720 so we get on the craft it was three days 1387 01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:26,560 out to see the first 12 hours I think 1388 01:07:30,990 --> 01:07:28,750 there was only 11 out of 40 that were 1389 01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:31,000 not hanging over the rails I was one of 1390 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:32,560 them so is Bob Lowe and they actually 1391 01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:39,490 filmed him puking over the rails so then 1392 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:41,740 we got to work a lot and put the rover 1393 01:07:47,820 --> 01:07:44,530 in so we get right over the structure we 1394 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:47,830 drop Mohawk down 1395 01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:51,010 it lands on top we're scanning the 1396 01:07:58,350 --> 01:07:53,740 structure with side scanning radar we 1397 01:08:00,810 --> 01:07:58,360 have HD photographs and and video being 1398 01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:00,820 taken at the same time and what we're 1399 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:02,470 finding is that the top of the structure 1400 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:04,930 isn't anything like what with the UNAM 1401 01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:08,170 the picture it's not even flat it's this 1402 01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:11,110 big upward angle like a teepee or a 1403 01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:16,030 frame home and that was shocking and so 1404 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:19,150 of course then we lower the Mohawk in 1405 01:08:23,579 --> 01:08:20,380 front of it while we're taking 1406 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:23,589 photographs and video and then drop in 1407 01:08:28,230 --> 01:08:25,089 front of the openings and we go back and 1408 01:08:29,849 --> 01:08:28,240 forth we're not finding fillers or you 1409 01:08:33,570 --> 01:08:29,859 know 90-degree angles that you know 1410 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:33,580 things that we need to find that would 1411 01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:35,290 give us any hope this was man-made or 1412 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:39,100 are constructed and not a natural 1413 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:43,530 phenomena well in the end I ended up 1414 01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,810 doing something that from everyone I 1415 01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:48,400 talked to that had been investigating 1416 01:08:52,890 --> 01:08:50,470 the Malibu structure had not done I 1417 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:52,900 called Google because I couldn't get 1418 01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:55,210 over why are we not seeing all these 1419 01:09:01,050 --> 01:08:57,130 other things in the ocean if we could 1420 01:09:02,490 --> 01:09:01,060 see an underwater base right and they 1421 01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:02,500 explained that that's not a photograph 1422 01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:08,500 that the way Google Earth works is that 1423 01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,230 they take satellite images and it could 1424 01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:13,120 be from a satellite or it could be 1425 01:09:20,790 --> 01:09:16,450 photographs from a balloon or a boat I 1426 01:09:23,099 --> 01:09:20,800 mean and from GPS coordinates they dot 1427 01:09:25,650 --> 01:09:23,109 it in well the computer will fill in the 1428 01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:25,660 rest so this is really a 1429 01:09:32,370 --> 01:09:29,260 computer-generated image over some of 1430 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:32,380 the information it had and so it's not a 1431 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:34,210 photograph well I found that very 1432 01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:38,650 interesting and and then also you know 1433 01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:42,430 ended up calling court Hueneme because 1434 01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:44,500 what we hear all the time is Port Magoo 1435 01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:47,440 Point Mugu and I'm thinking wait a 1436 01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:49,300 minute everybody's got attention on this 1437 01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:51,670 Navy base or this military base right 1438 01:09:57,540 --> 01:09:54,820 here but they're ignoring you models up 1439 01:09:59,880 --> 01:09:57,550 the road is Hueneme which is a Navy base 1440 01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:59,890 home of the Seabees which is the 1441 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:01,170 Construction Battalion 1442 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:03,330 and it's the home of the underwater 1443 01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:06,210 construction I'm like how is nobody 1444 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,790 talking to them because if there is an 1445 01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:10,770 underwater construction they'd be the 1446 01:10:16,940 --> 01:10:14,820 guys behind it and maintaining it and so 1447 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:16,950 I called them two and I got a hold of I 1448 01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:19,650 believe team to talk to the CDO which is 1449 01:10:24,620 --> 01:10:21,990 the command duty officer at the time I 1450 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:24,630 think he was a first-class off to go 1451 01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:28,050 back to my notes but you know he was 1452 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,820 pretty open he kind of laughed and said 1453 01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:31,260 yeah I know about that picture and he 1454 01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:33,960 goes you know we we talk about that all 1455 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:36,960 the time and he's he very clearly was 1456 01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:40,170 like that's not what it is and I said 1457 01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:41,430 what do you think it is I said well I 1458 01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,430 think it's a thrust fault because that 1459 01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:47,040 structure is right on top of the 1460 01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:49,380 intersection of the Point Dume fault 1461 01:10:55,670 --> 01:10:51,300 lines and the santa monica fault lines 1462 01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:55,680 and when these plates move it's called a 1463 01:11:04,190 --> 01:10:59,730 thrust fault and that's exactly what it 1464 01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,200 is but it's also been you know verified 1465 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:06,300 is that by many many other sources I 1466 01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:10,770 even have like a from radar a little 1467 01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:14,000 raft in there that shows you know depth 1468 01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,830 like a fish finder so you could even see 1469 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:18,000 where the point comes up on the 1470 01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:21,450 structure and back down and you know but 1471 01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:23,070 I love that because this was something 1472 01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,160 that we could debunk or we could find 1473 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:28,560 the truth on immediately of course we 1474 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:30,930 wanted an alien base we got a thrust 1475 01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:31,530 fault 1476 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:35,670 but to me it crosses off another anomaly 1477 01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:37,410 off our list that we don't have to worry 1478 01:11:44,150 --> 01:11:40,310 about anymore we know what it is done 1479 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:44,160 but there is still a lot of great stuff 1480 01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:46,890 to look at in that Malibu area I love 1481 01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:49,560 that area a lot of great cases out that 1482 01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:51,960 way and there has been talk about UFO 1483 01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:53,640 bases underwater in that neck of the 1484 01:11:58,450 --> 01:11:56,160 woods for a long time just because there 1485 01:12:04,550 --> 01:11:58,460 are so many sightings out that way 1486 01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:04,560 correct yeah I wanted to ask you a 1487 01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,320 little bit about your family your 1488 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:10,080 brother has and I know you've covered 1489 01:12:14,389 --> 01:12:11,850 this but it's really interesting you 1490 01:12:17,569 --> 01:12:14,399 know race hobbs has spent 1491 01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:17,579 copious amounts of time working very 1492 01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:20,280 hard on I think you might even be the 1493 01:12:27,379 --> 01:12:23,369 corner of kgr you'll have to tell me but 1494 01:12:29,839 --> 01:12:27,389 on his podcast and station making sure 1495 01:12:32,179 --> 01:12:29,849 people have all this wonderful 1496 01:12:35,629 --> 01:12:32,189 information about the area of your 1497 01:12:37,759 --> 01:12:35,639 follow G and other phenomena how did how 1498 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:37,769 did he get involved in that it's just so 1499 01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:40,530 fascinating to me that you both in 1500 01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:44,159 tandem are deeply involved in this area 1501 01:12:50,779 --> 01:12:48,809 together it's bizarre and just to be 1502 01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:50,789 very honest and clear he's not my real 1503 01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:55,800 brother we brought it but you can't tell 1504 01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:02,280 our hearts that right but he he started 1505 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:04,409 a radio as a teenager he's always had 1506 01:13:12,729 --> 01:13:08,010 that voice and that race huh boys oh boy 1507 01:13:16,639 --> 01:13:12,739 it's wings women around the world and 1508 01:13:18,589 --> 01:13:16,649 he's really easy to listen to yeah there 1509 01:13:20,540 --> 01:13:18,599 are some program Pro broadcasters who 1510 01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:20,550 aren't but race is a real easy guy to 1511 01:13:26,299 --> 01:13:24,659 listen and he's also of feisty he 1512 01:13:28,459 --> 01:13:26,309 doesn't he doesn't mind getting a little 1513 01:13:31,699 --> 01:13:28,469 riled up every once in a while and it's 1514 01:13:36,919 --> 01:13:31,709 sincere and he is a sincere truth seeker 1515 01:13:38,929 --> 01:13:36,929 and he's also one that understands that 1516 01:13:41,899 --> 01:13:38,939 you know a few mistakes you made as a 1517 01:13:44,779 --> 01:13:41,909 child or in your past that you've paid 1518 01:13:46,009 --> 01:13:44,789 the price for whatever shouldn't be held 1519 01:13:53,060 --> 01:13:46,019 against you for the rest of your life 1520 01:13:54,979 --> 01:13:53,070 and he has stood by the best Linda 1521 01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:54,989 Moulton Howe loves him don't mess with 1522 01:14:00,679 --> 01:13:57,179 her little racy oh my god 1523 01:14:05,299 --> 01:14:00,689 and and Richard Dolan from day one has 1524 01:14:10,089 --> 01:14:05,309 been with K GRA and he got a camera to 1525 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:10,099 do a show yeah exactly and this is um 1526 01:14:14,109 --> 01:14:12,449 you know I again I don't want to insult 1527 01:14:16,429 --> 01:14:14,119 anybody but when it comes to networks 1528 01:14:19,459 --> 01:14:16,439 absolutely top of the game I you know I 1529 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:19,469 think you know KJ RA is number one out 1530 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:21,300 there and no one's going to touch them 1531 01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:26,729 so and just to give a little nod to the 1532 01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:27,870 job that when 1533 01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:30,060 and John have done with their phenomenon 1534 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:33,540 radios over the last year and change in 1535 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:35,730 particular they have gotten some really 1536 01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:38,250 good guess I mean honestly the shows 1537 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:39,780 they've done it right up there with some 1538 01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:41,970 of the shows that nori has done or not 1539 01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,160 I'm sorry not nori but George Knapp has 1540 01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:46,800 done over on coast to coast in terms of 1541 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:48,630 in getting some really top-notch 1542 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:52,410 exclusive interviews you know my hats 1543 01:14:55,820 --> 01:14:54,330 off to him I'm a big fan I'm not gonna 1544 01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:55,830 and when it came and when it came time 1545 01:15:02,450 --> 01:14:58,140 for Linda to pick one meaning coast to 1546 01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:02,460 coast of kg RA she picked kg RA that's 1547 01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:07,620 amazing volume and I think to answer the 1548 01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:09,510 question was I think race just always 1549 01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:11,580 had an interest in UFOs and in that 1550 01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,910 radio and just kind of found himself 1551 01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:16,800 able to start building something like 1552 01:15:23,290 --> 01:15:19,980 this but it started when he and I talked 1553 01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:23,300 I would start he manager at the time and 1554 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:26,940 he was just it was just crazy like how 1555 01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:29,010 some of the best friends that you have 1556 01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:31,470 how you meet and it's so random and and 1557 01:15:35,690 --> 01:15:34,590 quick but but just just to be clear here 1558 01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:35,700 just to clear this up because this is 1559 01:15:39,710 --> 01:15:37,500 something that I had heard the you two 1560 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:39,720 were actually brother and sister but in 1561 01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:41,250 fact that's just the more of an honorary 1562 01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:44,760 sort of thing but I love the fact that 1563 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:46,230 people don't know the difference anymore 1564 01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:48,050 that's impossible 1565 01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:53,490 like you know I wanted to bring up 1566 01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:55,740 something really important also and that 1567 01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,340 is a few things I'm gonna jump to a 1568 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:01,920 different subject lobbying for the UFO 1569 01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:05,730 field is so critical and you're ready to 1570 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:08,280 take that on you know in a very 1571 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:10,290 passionate manner Steve Bassett as 1572 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:14,690 everybody knows has been at it for years 1573 01:16:21,740 --> 01:16:18,090 regarding his project a lobbying project 1574 01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:21,750 on et disclosure he's also from what I 1575 01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:23,940 understand I don't mind being incorrect 1576 01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:27,560 on this but at one point the only man in 1577 01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:29,880 Washington that was lobbying on behalf 1578 01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:33,800 of UFO well the topic of you apology 1579 01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:36,270 would it be true to say you are now the 1580 01:16:40,979 --> 01:16:39,360 only woman lobbying on behalf of all of 1581 01:16:46,990 --> 01:16:40,989 us 1582 01:16:48,850 --> 01:16:47,000 the same time why is lobbying so 1583 01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:48,860 important in Washington I know it is but 1584 01:16:55,570 --> 01:16:54,110 why I believe I am the only woman I 1585 01:16:59,020 --> 01:16:55,580 believe Steve and I are still the only 1586 01:17:01,180 --> 01:16:59,030 two yes I hate he doesn't call himself a 1587 01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:01,190 lobbyist though or even a ufologist he's 1588 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:05,840 an advocate I think he is registered 1589 01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:07,489 isn't there a registration process you 1590 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:08,870 have to go through to become a lobbyist 1591 01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:11,570 oh my gosh if you went through that yes 1592 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:16,100 yes it's all that I if he is I'm the 1593 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:19,370 card-carrying I'd be wearing yes it's 1594 01:17:24,370 --> 01:17:21,290 brutal it's all done through the office 1595 01:17:27,820 --> 01:17:24,380 of campaign finance so and it's not an 1596 01:17:30,370 --> 01:17:27,830 easy thing to get and there's a lot of 1597 01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:30,380 you know background check and you know 1598 01:17:34,990 --> 01:17:32,470 there's a lot of Hoops to jump through 1599 01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:35,000 but once you get it it's worth it and 1600 01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:38,800 the reason I lobbying is so important 1601 01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:41,180 and I do believe Steve and I are the 1602 01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:44,540 only two doing that even though I'm you 1603 01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:46,670 know pulling a team together so it will 1604 01:17:51,550 --> 01:17:48,260 be a team effort and a team going 1605 01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:51,560 forward and it's it's important because 1606 01:17:56,770 --> 01:17:55,040 who else is going to change this we have 1607 01:17:59,140 --> 01:17:56,780 all the evidence in the world that have 1608 01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,150 been presented by Grant Cameron's and 1609 01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:01,760 Richard Dolan's and you know just like 1610 01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:04,310 the biggest names out here and no one 1611 01:18:09,729 --> 01:18:07,880 cares no one cares look at the radar we 1612 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:09,739 have look at you know just the mountains 1613 01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:12,890 of evidence and yet we're still trying 1614 01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:15,500 to convince people this is real and it's 1615 01:18:19,710 --> 01:18:17,330 because we're not the people that are 1616 01:18:23,550 --> 01:18:19,720 going to affect any type of disclosure 1617 01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:23,560 confirmation this has to go through 1618 01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:26,390 certain channels to even be legitimized 1619 01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:29,300 by other countries it's the way politics 1620 01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:32,960 in an international setting work I'm 1621 01:18:36,940 --> 01:18:34,820 glad you mentioned radar because radar 1622 01:18:39,940 --> 01:18:36,950 is key in my book it's physical evidence 1623 01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:39,950 of the UFOs it happens but I don't think 1624 01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:41,840 that point gets here at home enough 1625 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:43,910 I've been big on it every time I have a 1626 01:18:48,220 --> 01:18:46,370 physicist have the opportunity to talk 1627 01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:48,230 to one of those guys always ask them do 1628 01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:50,060 you consider radar physical evidence the 1629 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:51,590 answer is yes 1630 01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:55,170 and and it is physical evidence and it's 1631 01:19:03,439 --> 01:18:59,820 also proof because of what radar tells 1632 01:19:06,770 --> 01:19:03,449 us in every other situation so why is it 1633 01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:06,780 faulty on this one so I wanted to bring 1634 01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,320 up something that Steve Bassett said 1635 01:19:15,229 --> 01:19:13,199 when he was asked what do you see is the 1636 01:19:17,029 --> 01:19:15,239 ultimate goal and they meant the 1637 01:19:21,049 --> 01:19:17,039 interviewer meant in the context of 1638 01:19:23,629 --> 01:19:21,059 lobbying in Washington he said this the 1639 01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:23,639 disclosure advocacy movement has a very 1640 01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:27,030 clear goal formal formal acknowledgement 1641 01:19:33,589 --> 01:19:30,510 by world governments of an et presence 1642 01:19:35,719 --> 01:19:33,599 engaging the human race at this time the 1643 01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:35,729 focus of the movement is on the United 1644 01:19:40,279 --> 01:19:38,249 States and at that time it was President 1645 01:19:42,979 --> 01:19:40,289 Obama I'm gonna ask you the same 1646 01:19:45,169 --> 01:19:42,989 question this interviewer asked Steve 1647 01:19:49,879 --> 01:19:45,179 Bassett what is the ultimate goal for 1648 01:19:55,759 --> 01:19:49,889 you regarding your being so passionate 1649 01:19:58,699 --> 01:19:55,769 and engaging in getting involved in 1650 01:20:00,589 --> 01:19:58,709 becoming a lobbyist trying to get the 1651 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:00,599 government so to speak to do something 1652 01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:03,570 what are you trying to do exactly and 1653 01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:07,920 why it's it's to find the truth of what 1654 01:20:13,219 --> 01:20:11,550 what this phenomena is we have no 1655 01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:13,229 evidence that this is all good and 1656 01:20:16,370 --> 01:20:14,489 they're going to come down and save us 1657 01:20:20,509 --> 01:20:16,380 we have a community that believes that 1658 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,519 and yet the evidence doesn't does it 1659 01:20:25,819 --> 01:20:22,800 support that neither does the evidence 1660 01:20:28,370 --> 01:20:25,829 support it's all evil and a national 1661 01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:28,380 security threat so we're still up in the 1662 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:30,360 air on exactly who they are and what 1663 01:20:35,149 --> 01:20:32,130 they want we're not debating that 1664 01:20:37,489 --> 01:20:35,159 they're real we are now debating who are 1665 01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:37,499 they and what is the reason that they're 1666 01:20:43,819 --> 01:20:40,380 interacting with humans what is what is 1667 01:20:47,899 --> 01:20:43,829 the role here and of course going 1668 01:20:50,979 --> 01:20:47,909 through governments it has to be a 1669 01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:50,989 security risk anything's a security risk 1670 01:20:56,839 --> 01:20:54,900 you know a foreign bird you don't found 1671 01:21:00,199 --> 01:20:56,849 on a beach don't touch it we don't know 1672 01:21:02,779 --> 01:21:00,209 if it's poisonous right so until we know 1673 01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:02,789 what this is we have to treat the 1674 01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:04,590 phenomena 1675 01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:10,360 with an observable skepticism and with 1676 01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,390 the scientific method and we just can't 1677 01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,000 go in believing it's bad and shooting 1678 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:17,920 them up and we can't believe they're 1679 01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:20,760 it's as great and open our arms and so 1680 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:24,820 if we have something we can study and I 1681 01:21:31,050 --> 01:21:29,170 believe 100% that we've been 1682 01:21:33,419 --> 01:21:31,060 investigating and doing it right for a 1683 01:21:36,860 --> 01:21:33,429 long time but even MUFON has a little 1684 01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:36,870 over 100 thousand investigative 1685 01:21:43,770 --> 01:21:40,750 investigated eyewitness reports what 1686 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:43,780 take this now and we treat it like a 1687 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:46,210 counterintelligence operation which is 1688 01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:48,010 also what a police department would do 1689 01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:51,400 with a new gang in town so that's what 1690 01:21:57,810 --> 01:21:54,670 my beltway group does is we sit down and 1691 01:22:00,510 --> 01:21:57,820 we systematically look at what are they 1692 01:22:01,919 --> 01:22:00,520 how are they communicating where are 1693 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:01,929 they living how are they getting here 1694 01:22:09,419 --> 01:22:04,690 what is the proof do we have answers on 1695 01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:09,429 this what are their motives like what do 1696 01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:12,280 they seem most interested in where's the 1697 01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:15,670 proof where's the data so by going after 1698 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:17,830 the data and eyewitness reports in 1699 01:22:23,790 --> 01:22:20,830 Buffon and new force which is Peter 1700 01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:23,800 Davenport's a sight speaking to 1701 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:26,380 countries that keep data like Chile and 1702 01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:29,050 France who openly their governments 1703 01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,140 openly investigate UFOs and dealing with 1704 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:35,040 other countries that do the same 1705 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:37,690 ufologists in Russia and we start 1706 01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:40,410 gathering as much information or 1707 01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:44,110 intelligence that we can and we just 1708 01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:47,590 start processing this with a scientific 1709 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:52,780 and skeptic puzzle it's just a big 1710 01:22:58,290 --> 01:22:54,730 puzzle and we put together our best 1711 01:23:00,570 --> 01:22:58,300 hypothesis from that and that's what 1712 01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:00,580 we'll be putting forward because that's 1713 01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:02,860 what they'll be doing in Congress that's 1714 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,300 what they'll be doing around the table 1715 01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,360 is well what does this mean so we have 1716 01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:10,480 this tic-tac video and we what does that 1717 01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,820 mean to us and considering the the 1718 01:23:18,359 --> 01:23:17,440 issues going on that they need to deal 1719 01:23:22,589 --> 01:23:18,369 with about our 1720 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:22,599 country can let alone the swamp the 1721 01:23:27,239 --> 01:23:25,510 swamp garbage like FISA warrants and you 1722 01:23:30,299 --> 01:23:27,249 know collusion and all that stuff going 1723 01:23:32,549 --> 01:23:30,309 on just the day-to-day operations of the 1724 01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:32,559 government is difficult enough now let's 1725 01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:34,360 bring them something they know nothing 1726 01:23:42,419 --> 01:23:38,800 about you they don't Congress does not 1727 01:23:44,459 --> 01:23:42,429 have information on UFOs Senate doesn't 1728 01:23:47,549 --> 01:23:44,469 intelligent committee does not threat 1729 01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:47,559 assessment does not and this is where Lu 1730 01:23:54,989 --> 01:23:51,550 was frustrated in a tip not having the 1731 01:23:58,529 --> 01:23:54,999 access to the people that most needed 1732 01:24:03,089 --> 01:23:58,539 the information so would they take it on 1733 01:24:05,009 --> 01:24:03,099 a private level yeah the one of the few 1734 01:24:08,339 --> 01:24:05,019 things that yeah well let me jump in 1735 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:08,349 here well the real question well well 1736 01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,050 they're all real questions but a 1737 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:13,840 question real quick about the frequency 1738 01:24:17,879 --> 01:24:15,610 you talked about the motivations that 1739 01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:17,889 might be a little tough to get to but if 1740 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:20,590 we had more data especially from the 1741 01:24:26,489 --> 01:24:23,050 military we might be able to come up 1742 01:24:30,209 --> 01:24:26,499 with a reasonable speculation as to how 1743 01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:30,219 often these UFO cases are in fact that's 1744 01:24:35,310 --> 01:24:33,249 something I've never really heard anyone 1745 01:24:37,319 --> 01:24:35,320 come out with and I just want to get 1746 01:24:40,619 --> 01:24:37,329 your thoughts really quick how frequent 1747 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:40,629 do you think this is happening I well 1748 01:24:49,799 --> 01:24:43,570 what Lou tells us is more than we 1749 01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:49,809 believe and more than we're told and I 1750 01:24:56,850 --> 01:24:54,369 believe that there's you know we hear 1751 01:24:58,889 --> 01:24:56,860 all the time you know military people 1752 01:25:01,049 --> 01:24:58,899 coming out saying you know what we 1753 01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:01,059 tracked it but you know I was just told 1754 01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:04,169 to forget about it and so in that sense 1755 01:25:13,109 --> 01:25:08,800 I think a lot I think there's a lot more 1756 01:25:15,419 --> 01:25:13,119 than knowingly monthly daily I can't 1757 01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,429 speculate but that's one of the 1758 01:25:19,229 --> 01:25:17,679 questions we'd like to know and the only 1759 01:25:22,139 --> 01:25:19,239 way we're going to get that information 1760 01:25:25,649 --> 01:25:22,149 is by cooperating and working with our 1761 01:25:27,569 --> 01:25:25,659 lawmakers again when did they become the 1762 01:25:29,069 --> 01:25:27,579 bad guys that we can't trust a single 1763 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:29,079 one of them because they used to work 1764 01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:32,289 for the CIA or they used to work 1765 01:25:38,879 --> 01:25:35,679 for or they used to be a senator 1766 01:25:40,379 --> 01:25:38,889 I love Senator Reid and when you listen 1767 01:25:43,759 --> 01:25:40,389 to what he comes out and says that 1768 01:25:46,379 --> 01:25:43,769 Russia and the and and China are 1769 01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,389 aggressively going after this technology 1770 01:25:51,959 --> 01:25:49,840 as well if you what did he just say whoa 1771 01:25:55,919 --> 01:25:51,969 oh my gosh guys right 1772 01:25:59,609 --> 01:25:55,929 he just said Russia and China are going 1773 01:26:02,790 --> 01:25:59,619 after UFO technology why would this man 1774 01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:02,800 at his age and dealing with the health 1775 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:04,630 issues he's dealing with even feel like 1776 01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,000 he should say something like that if it 1777 01:26:11,939 --> 01:26:10,000 wasn't true and he wasn't concerned we 1778 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:11,949 need to start listening to these people 1779 01:26:18,029 --> 01:26:15,130 that actually have the secrets or some 1780 01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:18,039 of them just to follow up on that Reid 1781 01:26:23,129 --> 01:26:20,260 of course is out he's no longer senator 1782 01:26:26,430 --> 01:26:23,139 from Nevada he's making these statements 1783 01:26:28,919 --> 01:26:26,440 so basically as a private citizen again 1784 01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:28,929 and there does seem to be that really 1785 01:26:34,259 --> 01:26:32,320 weird thing that has gone on for a long 1786 01:26:37,379 --> 01:26:34,269 time really even going back to the 50s 1787 01:26:39,540 --> 01:26:37,389 where when they're in they don't say 1788 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:39,550 anything but sometimes they will let's 1789 01:26:42,959 --> 01:26:41,409 start talking a little bit more once 1790 01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:42,969 they're out can you speak to that a 1791 01:26:45,810 --> 01:26:43,420 little bit 1792 01:26:49,589 --> 01:26:45,820 yeah it's called you know the the 1793 01:26:52,649 --> 01:26:49,599 secrecy so even in the citizens hearing 1794 01:26:54,450 --> 01:26:52,659 there were I believe it was Rendlesham 1795 01:26:59,700 --> 01:26:54,460 and when they were putting up some of 1796 01:27:02,609 --> 01:26:59,710 the evidence that they had from you know 1797 01:27:05,879 --> 01:27:02,619 just physical aspects one of the 1798 01:27:07,169 --> 01:27:05,889 Senators was afraid even as a former 1799 01:27:09,049 --> 01:27:07,179 that he did not have the security 1800 01:27:11,459 --> 01:27:09,059 clearance to read what was in that file 1801 01:27:13,620 --> 01:27:11,469 and that's how it works 1802 01:27:17,779 --> 01:27:13,630 so once you're in one of these 1803 01:27:20,879 --> 01:27:17,789 committees you're held to Secrets and 1804 01:27:25,259 --> 01:27:20,889 depending on you know your level or how 1805 01:27:27,419 --> 01:27:25,269 long your secrecy oaths expire or how 1806 01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:27,429 long you're held to that or when things 1807 01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:30,369 are Declassified or it's safe to talk 1808 01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,400 these guys can't it's the same thing 1809 01:27:38,959 --> 01:27:35,880 with Bigelow Bigelow wasn't hiding 1810 01:27:42,089 --> 01:27:38,969 information as much as he's not allowed 1811 01:27:46,089 --> 01:27:42,099 he's a contractor and he's a defense 1812 01:27:49,959 --> 01:27:46,099 contractor so when he gets these defense 1813 01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:49,969 and part of that discovers UFO 1814 01:27:56,199 --> 01:27:53,090 technology well he's still under that 1815 01:27:58,919 --> 01:27:56,209 secrecy it's a top-secret program you 1816 01:28:01,299 --> 01:27:58,929 can't let the whole world see this and 1817 01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,309 that's what we're learning at this point 1818 01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:04,159 it isn't that he wanted to keep it 1819 01:28:10,750 --> 01:28:07,820 secret he had to so what is the best way 1820 01:28:13,719 --> 01:28:10,760 to make these things public you 1821 01:28:16,689 --> 01:28:13,729 privatize the information so that it's 1822 01:28:18,910 --> 01:28:16,699 no longer classified then you can give 1823 01:28:23,459 --> 01:28:18,920 it to your scientists and they can move 1824 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:23,469 forward with this technology that may be 1825 01:28:29,529 --> 01:28:27,650 our biggest game-changer yet so think 1826 01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:29,539 about what I just said there and that 1827 01:28:37,029 --> 01:28:32,920 actually makes sense and once again 1828 01:28:39,779 --> 01:28:37,039 these guys aren't concerned with what 1829 01:28:42,910 --> 01:28:39,789 UFO people like chase clusky think 1830 01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:42,920 Bigelow could care less what I think 1831 01:28:49,870 --> 01:28:45,650 he's made that clear yeah 1832 01:28:51,790 --> 01:28:49,880 and I don't blame him he's great great 1833 01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:51,800 minds that are ready to help him and 1834 01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:55,489 push this forward and I would be excited 1835 01:29:04,649 --> 01:28:59,510 if Joe Blow the plumber found the 1836 01:29:07,390 --> 01:29:04,659 smoking gun if it helped the cause I 1837 01:29:10,089 --> 01:29:07,400 just don't think that Joe the Plumber or 1838 01:29:13,629 --> 01:29:10,099 chase let's key or Richard Dolan or any 1839 01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:13,639 of these guys or any of us holding the 1840 01:29:21,419 --> 01:29:17,920 smoking gun would ever be able to 1841 01:29:25,029 --> 01:29:21,429 scientifically present that evidence 1842 01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:25,039 just think of just the UFO field alone 1843 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:28,570 right you know and it it's polluting 1844 01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:31,610 everything we've done right is this this 1845 01:29:36,879 --> 01:29:34,150 Jerry Springer attitude and antics is 1846 01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:36,889 polluting everything we've done right so 1847 01:29:42,819 --> 01:29:40,639 far I was just gonna make a kind of a 1848 01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:42,829 side comment and that is even I'm not 1849 01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:43,820 going to pronounce the name of the 1850 01:29:49,029 --> 01:29:45,380 country very well by the way you'll have 1851 01:29:50,919 --> 01:29:49,039 to correct me but even AG way they have 1852 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:50,929 an Air Force that has conducted UFO 1853 01:29:58,419 --> 01:29:52,610 investigations since 89 1854 01:29:59,160 --> 01:29:58,429 yes and reportedly analyzed 2100 cases 1855 01:30:03,360 --> 01:29:59,170 of 1856 01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:03,370 they regard approximately 2% as lacking 1857 01:30:10,350 --> 01:30:07,330 explanation now just wanted to say that 1858 01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:10,360 there's all kinds of governments around 1859 01:30:18,209 --> 01:30:14,850 the world that are actively pursuing 1860 01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:18,219 investigating this topic and for good 1861 01:30:22,140 --> 01:30:19,510 reason 1862 01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,150 they have aircrafts - they have 1863 01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:25,120 satellites also they want to learn more 1864 01:30:30,689 --> 01:30:28,030 about these anomalous objects in the sky 1865 01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:30,699 if it's not for defense reasons it's 1866 01:30:36,419 --> 01:30:33,280 just plain curiosity it has to do with 1867 01:30:40,770 --> 01:30:36,429 Science and Technology wanted to know do 1868 01:30:43,410 --> 01:30:40,780 you feel like what would happen I have 1869 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:43,420 kind of a strange question for you what 1870 01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:46,600 do you think would happen if ETS landed 1871 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:49,570 on the planet right now and I'd like to 1872 01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:51,610 make a comment about that by the way 1873 01:30:58,500 --> 01:30:55,600 what how I feel about that I know people 1874 01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,510 who would still deny them right there 1875 01:31:02,729 --> 01:31:00,400 within feet of them that they were 1876 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:02,739 actually there now I'm not saying that's 1877 01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:05,170 bad I'm just saying that's how they will 1878 01:31:10,830 --> 01:31:07,630 react how do you think our planet will 1879 01:31:12,990 --> 01:31:10,840 react if that occurred I think you're 1880 01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:13,000 right I think it's Hopi people this is a 1881 01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:18,610 false flag operation I think that we 1882 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:21,640 would all be gathered around with 1883 01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,410 probably our best friends I call my 1884 01:31:29,130 --> 01:31:26,080 kitchen cabinet or it's not my kitchen 1885 01:31:30,780 --> 01:31:29,140 we're together but all right I'd call my 1886 01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:30,790 kitchen cabinet and we'd be around that 1887 01:31:35,850 --> 01:31:32,980 TV and I call my husband saying oh my 1888 01:31:39,740 --> 01:31:35,860 gosh can you believe this and and we'd 1889 01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:39,750 be glued and it would be on television 1890 01:31:47,310 --> 01:31:44,110 24/7 for weeks and people would just be 1891 01:31:50,459 --> 01:31:47,320 more interested and I think it would be 1892 01:31:53,939 --> 01:31:50,469 an observable until you know depending 1893 01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:53,949 on the next move from the occupants of 1894 01:32:00,660 --> 01:31:58,719 that craft that landed but I don't think 1895 01:32:04,740 --> 01:32:00,670 people are going to freak out and commit 1896 01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:04,750 suicide and lose a religion just because 1897 01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:07,630 of you know the countries that are 1898 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:09,040 already doing that like you mentioned 1899 01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:12,810 earth way and Chile and para France 1900 01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,170 no mass freak-outs nobody's going crazy 1901 01:32:21,930 --> 01:32:18,400 knowing their government is 1902 01:32:23,940 --> 01:32:21,940 investigating UFO activity and this is 1903 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:23,950 something we also remind people and 1904 01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:26,920 bring forward but I really think it 1905 01:32:35,310 --> 01:32:31,840 would be like any other world events I 1906 01:32:37,230 --> 01:32:35,320 think everybody would pause almost hold 1907 01:32:40,110 --> 01:32:37,240 your breath and we'd be gathered around 1908 01:32:43,140 --> 01:32:40,120 that TV we've always sort of known that 1909 01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:43,150 really anybody who takes UFOs seriously 1910 01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:46,110 he's always known that yeah even though 1911 01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:48,310 the Air Force said they don't 1912 01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,460 investigate UFO cases anymore after a 1913 01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:53,920 blue book closed up but it's literally 1914 01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:56,080 their jobs to get up in the air or to 1915 01:33:00,570 --> 01:32:58,090 track things on radar or whatever the 1916 01:33:05,310 --> 01:33:00,580 case may be if s something they don't 1917 01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:05,320 recognize is if they can see it so we 1918 01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:07,000 always kind of knew that they were 1919 01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:08,830 looking into the subject it's not like 1920 01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,680 it it should we I guess I'd the details 1921 01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:14,320 maybe have been a bit of a surprise and 1922 01:33:19,470 --> 01:33:16,060 a catalyst and a game-changer like you 1923 01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:19,480 said but it really shouldn't have been I 1924 01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:23,470 mean even not Paul Dean found not last 1925 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:25,570 year but I believe the year before that 1926 01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:27,250 they've been investigating this stuff 1927 01:33:33,170 --> 01:33:29,620 all the time they used the UFO acronym 1928 01:33:35,190 --> 01:33:33,180 to this day in within the military and 1929 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:35,200 it shouldn't have been too much of a 1930 01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:36,970 surprise but I guess to the general 1931 01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:44,230 public it has mentalization so and you 1932 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:47,910 know the media has played a huge part in 1933 01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:51,610 making sure that the you know that the 1934 01:33:57,540 --> 01:33:53,920 public finds us to be a ridiculous topic 1935 01:34:01,170 --> 01:33:57,550 and the hasn't been a lot of scrutiny 1936 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:01,180 we've lost our media we've almost lost 1937 01:34:08,510 --> 01:34:05,650 our UFO media we have so much stuff out 1938 01:34:10,380 --> 01:34:08,520 there I feel sorry for any new person 1939 01:34:12,210 --> 01:34:10,390 that's trying to find information 1940 01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:12,220 because there's so much crap they have 1941 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:14,110 to wade through that it's a wonder 1942 01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:17,770 anybody stays with us after a while and 1943 01:34:25,470 --> 01:34:21,900 which is why a place like MUFON is the 1944 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:25,480 perfect place to land 1945 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:30,130 but uh I totally forgot your question 1946 01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:33,810 Frank that we always knew that the 1947 01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:35,950 military has been investigating these 1948 01:34:39,570 --> 01:34:37,960 cases all along responding to something 1949 01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:39,580 that comes up in real time that type of 1950 01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:42,310 thing yeah and this is something where 1951 01:34:46,770 --> 01:34:44,470 like I said earlier you know we've been 1952 01:34:47,700 --> 01:34:46,780 begging for confirmation that this is 1953 01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:47,710 what's been going on 1954 01:34:52,770 --> 01:34:50,920 we've known we have we absolutely knew 1955 01:34:54,930 --> 01:34:52,780 they were doing that and now that we 1956 01:34:57,780 --> 01:34:54,940 have it what are we doing to these 1957 01:34:59,730 --> 01:34:57,790 people are we are we betting what 1958 01:35:02,100 --> 01:34:59,740 they're saying they're not telling us to 1959 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:02,110 buy it hook line and sinker but you know 1960 01:35:07,010 --> 01:35:04,210 when this information gets put out by 1961 01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:07,020 these same people my god 1962 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:10,540 I'm just shocked it hey we're behaving 1963 01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:13,210 out here and and not embracing until we 1964 01:35:19,790 --> 01:35:16,030 have a reason when you catch people 1965 01:35:23,220 --> 01:35:19,800 obviously putting out false information 1966 01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:23,230 when you catch people that aren't 1967 01:35:28,590 --> 01:35:26,230 telling the truth that's when you cut 1968 01:35:30,060 --> 01:35:28,600 them but you don't assume that because 1969 01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:30,070 you know somebody used to be an 1970 01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:32,260 intelligent agent that they're going to 1971 01:35:36,930 --> 01:35:35,380 put out disinformation there's a 1972 01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,940 difference here and I think this is 1973 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:39,280 important to bring up enough to 1974 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:40,690 interrupt you sorry about that but 1975 01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:42,850 there's a difference between making an 1976 01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:44,710 honest mistake and putting out false 1977 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:48,520 information oh absolutely because I you 1978 01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:51,370 know I I made you know I've certainly 1979 01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:52,990 made my share of mistakes of all this 1980 01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:55,570 and it does happen but you know there's 1981 01:36:00,840 --> 01:35:58,290 a difference again between knowingly 1982 01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,850 misrepresenting facts or making up facts 1983 01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:03,280 or that sort of thing and making an 1984 01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:05,550 honest mistake a huge difference my book 1985 01:36:11,670 --> 01:36:07,630 absolutely frança what did you do when 1986 01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:11,680 you realize that right exactly I just 1987 01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:13,990 sent an email out to a couple of friends 1988 01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:15,670 here in Virginia and said I have to eat 1989 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:19,510 some crow absolutely if I said something 1990 01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:23,530 like I will own it I will fix it and you 1991 01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:26,290 know that's my that's my issue it's um 1992 01:36:30,750 --> 01:36:28,720 but that's integrity and we also know 1993 01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:30,760 that integrity is something that you do 1994 01:36:36,060 --> 01:36:33,910 when people are not looking and you know 1995 01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:36,070 we kind of started the show talking 1996 01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:38,860 about like the dirty side that seems to 1997 01:36:43,460 --> 01:36:39,280 be 1998 01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:43,470 Pullman ating and you know grown men 1999 01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:48,130 picking on you know a colleague a female 2000 01:36:53,850 --> 01:36:51,280 colleague or the gang mentality how they 2001 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:53,860 all collude and let's do this and I'll 2002 01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:55,810 bring you on the show and we'll get her 2003 01:37:01,560 --> 01:36:57,430 to what end 2004 01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:01,570 to our professionals that we've been 2005 01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:03,400 wanting to come out for decades or 2006 01:37:08,910 --> 01:37:06,730 military people are you know agency 2007 01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:08,920 people my god if there's no room for 2008 01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:11,110 these people and ufology to come talk to 2009 01:37:16,740 --> 01:37:13,090 us and tell us what they know or or to 2010 01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:16,750 give us what they can and we not 2011 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:20,110 understand secrecy or you know what a 2012 01:37:25,890 --> 01:37:24,370 clearance means they don't need to be 2013 01:37:27,810 --> 01:37:25,900 listen they don't need to be the people 2014 01:37:29,610 --> 01:37:27,820 talking to them then if they don't 2015 01:37:32,730 --> 01:37:29,620 understand how it works 2016 01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:32,740 it just it's be it blows my mind really 2017 01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:34,780 I'll have to admit sometimes I don't 2018 01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:38,380 understand how it works either but still 2019 01:37:45,170 --> 01:37:40,300 you know it's it's part of the game you 2020 01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:49,140 yeah yeah yeah it's okay if I make a 2021 01:37:54,300 --> 01:37:52,360 statement about that or cuz I thought 2022 01:37:59,970 --> 01:37:54,310 well what I had to say is gonna last a 2023 01:38:01,710 --> 01:37:59,980 little while so oh okay well early in 2024 01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:01,720 our show we were talking about trolls 2025 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:04,150 haters that kind of thing one thing I 2026 01:38:09,450 --> 01:38:07,450 like to point out is the very thing 2027 01:38:12,180 --> 01:38:09,460 these chronic whiners complain about 2028 01:38:14,730 --> 01:38:12,190 they're guilty of at the same time 2029 01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:14,740 well these abusers are claiming abuse 2030 01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:17,470 they're busy abusing the first thing 2031 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:19,420 that happened a chase when news of her 2032 01:38:24,570 --> 01:38:21,970 having left MUFON got out was someone 2033 01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:24,580 who never even took the time like any 2034 01:38:30,570 --> 01:38:28,270 journalist or reporter of news should 2035 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:30,580 and that is take the effort to contact 2036 01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:33,370 Chase to find out why she left the 2037 01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:35,890 organization in the manner she did she 2038 01:38:40,230 --> 01:38:37,510 didn't completely leave it either in 2039 01:38:42,810 --> 01:38:40,240 fact the first thing they did was write 2040 01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:42,820 up a few sentences added a byline and 2041 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:44,830 for some reason it was called not only 2042 01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:47,890 an article but breaking news this news 2043 01:38:53,070 --> 01:38:51,280 was not based on facts it was a poorly 2044 01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,080 written series of what a few Senate 2045 01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:55,840 is and not grammatically correct either 2046 01:39:00,330 --> 01:38:58,210 news is written so a twelve-year-old can 2047 01:39:01,710 --> 01:39:00,340 understand it but in this case it was 2048 01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:01,720 written like a five-year-old wrote it 2049 01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:04,480 well how about the source of what the 2050 01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:07,300 actual article or these sentences so 2051 01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:09,460 poorly written are supposed to be based 2052 01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:13,480 on that wasn't there either it had not 2053 01:39:18,570 --> 01:39:15,730 only misleading information but 2054 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:18,580 unfounded allegations all formulated in 2055 01:39:23,610 --> 01:39:20,890 the classic manner a bully would try to 2056 01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:23,620 accomplish to try to drag someone's name 2057 01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:25,140 through the mud 2058 01:39:31,980 --> 01:39:29,650 sources are important that few sentences 2059 01:39:33,020 --> 01:39:31,990 those those few sentences didn't have 2060 01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:33,030 them 2061 01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:35,710 although these whiners mentalities are 2062 01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:37,870 at a two-year-old it's all about me 2063 01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:41,230 level they can get very dangerous one 2064 01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:43,900 case reminds me of how something got so 2065 01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:46,150 out of hand it was like the movie Lord 2066 01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:46,800 of the Flies 2067 01:39:51,090 --> 01:39:49,600 case in point Alex Jones turned from 2068 01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:51,100 claiming he was using his First 2069 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:53,170 Amendment rights and did an about-face 2070 01:39:58,590 --> 01:39:55,690 claiming psychosis was the reason why he 2071 01:40:00,330 --> 01:39:58,600 bullied and abused the victims regarding 2072 01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:00,340 a famous and horrific massacre of 2073 01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:03,370 children one of these days one of these 2074 01:40:07,740 --> 01:40:05,650 bullies who think it's so entertaining 2075 01:40:10,410 --> 01:40:07,750 and satisfying to abuse people at their 2076 01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:10,420 expense is gonna find themselves with 2077 01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:12,820 the lawsuit or serious criminal charges 2078 01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:15,730 against them but what did these cowards 2079 01:40:22,230 --> 01:40:19,750 do every time they blame it on everyone 2080 01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:22,240 and everything else but themselves it's 2081 01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,570 a known pattern abusers are predictable 2082 01:40:31,770 --> 01:40:28,560 that's because they're serial abusers 2083 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:31,780 funny thing as soon as you criticize one 2084 01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:33,850 of these cowards the first thing they do 2085 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:36,520 is start a cycle of whining that has a 2086 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:38,890 life of its own that lasts years and 2087 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:42,010 they always hide behind a facade of not 2088 01:40:45,870 --> 01:40:43,330 claiming to be an abuser 2089 01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:45,880 while abusing people there are many 2090 01:40:50,460 --> 01:40:48,250 reasons why weak people like this do 2091 01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:50,470 this sort of thing one is they're 2092 01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:52,180 passing on abuse they had to deal with 2093 01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:54,070 and or they have a very low 2094 01:40:58,410 --> 01:40:56,290 self-confidence and yet another factor 2095 01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:58,420 they're dealing with are serious 2096 01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:01,600 psychological issues none of this is an 2097 01:41:05,070 --> 01:41:03,670 excuse to create social media hate 2098 01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:05,080 campaigns again 2099 01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,110 anyone ever and while they're claiming 2100 01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:11,440 they aren't they are they always claim 2101 01:41:16,340 --> 01:41:13,570 it has to do with some great point they 2102 01:41:19,110 --> 01:41:16,350 have against a person or an organization 2103 01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:19,120 show me an organization that has been 2104 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:22,480 around for decades and is perfect not 2105 01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:25,930 many even Lockheed probably a 2106 01:41:30,510 --> 01:41:28,540 multi-billion dollar corporation now 2107 01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:30,520 dealing with the lawsuit of a 2108 01:41:34,830 --> 01:41:32,710 whistleblower does that mean they're bad 2109 01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:34,840 they must be pretty good at something 2110 01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:37,030 they get hired on a regular for 2111 01:41:43,170 --> 01:41:39,070 contracts and the hundreds of millions 2112 01:41:46,530 --> 01:41:43,180 of dollars does one issue they have make 2113 01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:46,540 all their employees bat no it means 2114 01:41:50,370 --> 01:41:48,610 there was an issue and it's being 2115 01:41:51,210 --> 01:41:50,380 addressed now through a series of checks 2116 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:51,220 and balances 2117 01:41:57,090 --> 01:41:54,010 that's it now psychologists shaman's 2118 01:41:59,610 --> 01:41:57,100 leaders healers atheists or folks with 2119 01:42:00,060 --> 01:41:59,620 no faith-based belief system around the 2120 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:00,070 world 2121 01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:03,010 and just about every culture will tell 2122 01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,650 you use the experiences you've had to 2123 01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:08,080 make you a better person make the world 2124 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:10,780 a better place let go of the past and 2125 01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:13,570 move forward it also helps with health 2126 01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:15,580 being negative at the level these 2127 01:42:19,950 --> 01:42:17,560 bullies are at can cause heart attacks 2128 01:42:22,230 --> 01:42:19,960 lower the immune system cause health 2129 01:42:24,690 --> 01:42:22,240 issues of all kinds more important than 2130 01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:24,700 the bullies health my health your health 2131 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:28,000 the listeners health who have had to 2132 01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:30,370 listen to these whiners broken record 2133 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:32,770 about all the in justices that have 2134 01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,410 occurred to them over their entire 2135 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:37,600 lifetime even their protests about what 2136 01:42:42,690 --> 01:42:39,850 I'm saying here yet more whining you 2137 01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,700 know why they live and feed off of this 2138 01:42:47,130 --> 01:42:44,800 negativity they feel they're more 2139 01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:47,140 special than all of us that their 2140 01:42:53,670 --> 01:42:49,720 problems are your problems don't fall 2141 01:42:55,110 --> 01:42:53,680 for that everyone has problems if they 2142 01:42:58,530 --> 01:42:55,120 don't it's because they aren't breathing 2143 01:43:01,260 --> 01:42:58,540 they're dead why not be grateful 2144 01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:01,270 millions of people around the world face 2145 01:43:06,630 --> 01:43:03,400 serious crisis whether it be political 2146 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:06,640 health environmental or more there are 2147 01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:09,130 unspeakable brutalities being committed 2148 01:43:13,790 --> 01:43:11,650 against children in millions of people 2149 01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,800 dealing with cancer or other diseases 2150 01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:16,480 people born with serious disabilities 2151 01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:18,760 point here be grateful 2152 01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:22,000 your petty issues are not ours let me 2153 01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:24,310 tell you what a real problem is I woke 2154 01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,830 up one day and found out I had cancer it 2155 01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:28,960 was the worst type of woman can get it 2156 01:43:34,620 --> 01:43:31,600 was triple negative cancer five years 2157 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:34,630 later almost to the very day I had 2158 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:37,570 breast cancer yet again what did I do 2159 01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:41,050 I had to pretend I liked it why because 2160 01:43:45,570 --> 01:43:42,910 if you throw yourself down the self-pity 2161 01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:45,580 trap and live out the negativity of the 2162 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:48,550 challenge you're facing you can die your 2163 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:50,890 immune system can drop you can go to a 2164 01:43:55,979 --> 01:43:53,290 worst stage of cancer almost overnight I 2165 01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,989 chose the positive vibe to face my 2166 01:44:02,100 --> 01:43:58,960 cancer twice in a row and I faced it 2167 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:02,110 alone the second time I did this so I 2168 01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:04,810 could focus on healing and I did and I 2169 01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:09,820 moved on going forward is key it's a key 2170 01:44:14,610 --> 01:44:12,130 step these whiners are missing in the 2171 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:14,620 steps towards healing guess what I'm 2172 01:44:18,690 --> 01:44:16,810 doing tomorrow I'm going in for my 2173 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:18,700 seventh reconstruction surgery related 2174 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:21,730 to my mastectomy back to these abusers 2175 01:44:27,150 --> 01:44:24,610 they are very purposefully not doing 2176 01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:27,160 these key steps why because they're 2177 01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,310 hooked on feeling sorry for themselves 2178 01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:32,320 again they think they are more special 2179 01:44:37,260 --> 01:44:34,930 than we are well they're protesting they 2180 01:44:39,930 --> 01:44:37,270 aren't they are acting and sending out 2181 01:44:42,090 --> 01:44:39,940 signals that they are what are our 2182 01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:42,100 listeners looking for some knowledge and 2183 01:44:46,650 --> 01:44:44,050 inspiration about the topic we all love 2184 01:44:49,130 --> 01:44:46,660 to cover here not Inquirer related 2185 01:44:52,110 --> 01:44:49,140 gossip mongering and hate towards others 2186 01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:52,120 lastly how many of us have had to deal 2187 01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:55,420 with broken promises and in Justices was 2188 01:45:01,380 --> 01:44:57,610 seven point seven billion people on the 2189 01:45:03,060 --> 01:45:01,390 planet I would say all all of them from 2190 01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:03,070 the point they were born something 2191 01:45:07,620 --> 01:45:05,170 probably occurred that was not perfect 2192 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:07,630 as this person grows up they will face 2193 01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:09,850 broken promises multiple kinds of 2194 01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:12,040 injustice I've had to deal with sexual 2195 01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:14,440 harassment since the age of 14 or 15 2196 01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:16,900 when I entered the workforce I dealt 2197 01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:19,390 with harassment of all types for decades 2198 01:45:24,420 --> 01:45:23,290 it wasn't just one time it was too many 2199 01:45:26,729 --> 01:45:24,430 times to count 2200 01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:26,739 both women and men have abused one 2201 01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:30,100 another for thousands of years I've been 2202 01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:31,810 passed up for promotions because I'm 2203 01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:32,560 female 2204 01:45:36,300 --> 01:45:34,510 both men and women have sexualized 2205 01:45:38,430 --> 01:45:36,310 situations in the workplace using their 2206 01:45:41,190 --> 01:45:38,440 higher rank to try to take advantage of 2207 01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:41,200 a situation but let much like my 2208 01:45:46,830 --> 01:45:44,110 situation with cancer twice I persevered 2209 01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:46,840 and billions of people around a planet 2210 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:50,200 in the same situations due to Dave 2211 01:45:55,230 --> 01:45:53,290 persevered you don't hear me going on ad 2212 01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:55,240 nauseam about these challenges on a 2213 01:46:01,410 --> 01:45:57,730 regular why because although they're 2214 01:46:04,050 --> 01:46:01,420 valid issues everyone has valid issues 2215 01:46:07,770 --> 01:46:04,060 what would happen if we spent all of our 2216 01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:07,780 time crying and psychoanalyzing all of 2217 01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:10,270 our issues we would never look up at the 2218 01:46:14,750 --> 01:46:12,580 sky any more we wouldn't have admit 2219 01:46:17,730 --> 01:46:14,760 advancements in science medicine 2220 01:46:20,730 --> 01:46:17,740 technology and more no one would get 2221 01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:20,740 anything done and that's exactly what's 2222 01:46:26,670 --> 01:46:23,290 happening here do any of these bullies 2223 01:46:30,150 --> 01:46:26,680 ever get it no they don't get it on 2224 01:46:32,460 --> 01:46:30,160 purpose why because they get to take 2225 01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:32,470 advantage of the same privileges you and 2226 01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:34,450 I have worked hard to create while 2227 01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,610 publicly dragging people down they don't 2228 01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:38,800 like down at the same time 2229 01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:41,620 character assassination is easy how 2230 01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:43,930 about getting thicker skin and doing 2231 01:46:48,330 --> 01:46:46,030 some real research and hard work like 2232 01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:48,340 we're doing here on a regular basis and 2233 01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:50,530 that's not going to happen they don't 2234 01:46:54,450 --> 01:46:52,210 have the skill sets to deal with trauma 2235 01:46:58,440 --> 01:46:54,460 or challenges in life so they attack 2236 01:47:00,930 --> 01:46:58,450 people like chase me or Frank or you the 2237 01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,940 listeners remember the last time you had 2238 01:47:04,770 --> 01:47:02,080 to tolerate a crybaby 2239 01:47:06,690 --> 01:47:04,780 it gets old doesn't it if that's what 2240 01:47:09,570 --> 01:47:06,700 they want to be remembered as they will 2241 01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:09,580 soon be forgotten history does not 2242 01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:12,730 remember people like that we remember 2243 01:47:17,700 --> 01:47:15,040 those making the world a better place 2244 01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:17,710 well these crybabies are busy convincing 2245 01:47:21,810 --> 01:47:19,510 everyone their issues are epically 2246 01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:21,820 important Frank and I are going to carry 2247 01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,380 on the torch of others who have passed 2248 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:26,080 it to myself and other young guns to 2249 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:27,610 continue with the serious study of you 2250 01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:31,930 apology Chase is going to continue with 2251 01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:34,210 her important UFO research and lobbying 2252 01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:35,610 to make the world a better place 2253 01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:40,000 that's my rant chants rants thanks Jay 2254 01:47:46,140 --> 01:47:43,560 Oh can't I I have knots in my stomach 2255 01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:46,150 I'm almost in tears I feel 2256 01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:47,830 horrible about and I know that's not 2257 01:47:54,510 --> 01:47:49,960 what you want is sympathy and I know 2258 01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:54,520 this because you shared your your story 2259 01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:56,770 is that the first time you told people 2260 01:48:02,850 --> 01:47:59,050 about having cancer breast yes in 2261 01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:02,860 publicly on on air yes I have well I was 2262 01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:05,350 sharing as well I found out I have lung 2263 01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:08,489 cancer and I have been fighting that for 2264 01:48:15,090 --> 01:48:12,370 about a year of I go through the steps 2265 01:48:18,209 --> 01:48:15,100 and honestly right now 2266 01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:18,219 I took a procedure that gives me 50% 2267 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:20,800 chance I have five more years and I'm 2268 01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:21,850 gonna tell you champ 2269 01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:24,400 they're not gonna care that we struggle 2270 01:48:30,660 --> 01:48:27,550 like this I to have not one time balled 2271 01:48:33,209 --> 01:48:30,670 up and cried that I had cancer not one 2272 01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:33,219 time my husband Terrance my heart out 2273 01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:36,159 but I do not feel sorry for myself and I 2274 01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:37,900 haven't made it an issue in ufology 2275 01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:41,500 either I went to the Amazon with cancer 2276 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:45,070 never told the guys you know stayed step 2277 01:48:51,330 --> 01:48:48,010 by step fought like hell keep its 2278 01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:51,340 secrets when I hurt but I'm gonna keep 2279 01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:53,620 doing it and I'm sharing this also 2280 01:48:58,410 --> 01:48:56,080 publicly for the first time ever my 2281 01:49:01,010 --> 01:48:58,420 close friends no but I have kept this 2282 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:01,020 but I'll tell you why they won't care 2283 01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:03,610 because the people that are tacked to be 2284 01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:05,820 right now know I have cancer 2285 01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:10,120 I'm very sorry hear it anyway yes they 2286 01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:15,670 know I'm fighting and you know it's yeah 2287 01:49:21,870 --> 01:49:18,670 I had no intentions hooker public with 2288 01:49:25,290 --> 01:49:21,880 that but um maybe it's important chant 2289 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:25,300 and I wasn't you know you being such an 2290 01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,610 amazing person and sharing that story I 2291 01:49:31,709 --> 01:49:28,960 wasn't gonna let you do that alone 2292 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:31,719 knowing what I had as well so we're 2293 01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:35,050 bonded in sisterhood and you know I 2294 01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:37,360 consider myself a lung cancer survivor 2295 01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:39,040 and I'm actually on that program right 2296 01:49:46,410 --> 01:49:43,600 now so let's see if that 50% is mine but 2297 01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:46,420 in the meantime I have a lot of karma 2298 01:49:52,380 --> 01:49:48,760 I'm making up or I don't want to be 2299 01:49:54,300 --> 01:49:52,390 around those people like you said even 2300 01:49:58,560 --> 01:49:54,310 listening to them it gives you a 2301 01:49:58,919 --> 01:49:58,570 thickness it brings you down and until 2302 01:50:00,719 --> 01:49:58,929 they see 2303 01:50:04,919 --> 01:50:00,729 making things right or just dropping it 2304 01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:04,929 I oh my gosh but they can't hurt us 2305 01:50:10,620 --> 01:50:07,780 chant they can't they could say negative 2306 01:50:12,419 --> 01:50:10,630 things and it makes them feel good it's 2307 01:50:14,069 --> 01:50:12,429 not taking us out of anything 2308 01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,079 it's not even hurting my feelings 2309 01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:17,199 because I'm in Peru I'm not listening 2310 01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:23,380 and and and your great spirit and you're 2311 01:50:28,469 --> 01:50:26,320 so sweet and you're the you and Frank 2312 01:50:31,949 --> 01:50:28,479 the only ones that stood up and said 2313 01:50:34,770 --> 01:50:31,959 let's do this the only ones I'm so proud 2314 01:50:36,509 --> 01:50:34,780 of you I am so proud of you honestly 2315 01:50:39,330 --> 01:50:36,519 and I want to thank you and Frank 2316 01:50:42,330 --> 01:50:39,340 honestly and let's fight let's move 2317 01:50:44,580 --> 01:50:42,340 forward it's been a great interview 2318 01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:44,590 really has been to all my friends out 2319 01:50:49,739 --> 01:50:46,780 there I don't want to talk about it it's 2320 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:49,749 like I forget that I have cancer because 2321 01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:52,090 it's such a little problem that I treat 2322 01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:55,840 it as something I deal with but you know 2323 01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,610 I can't wait to go to Peru do you feel 2324 01:51:01,620 --> 01:50:59,920 that same way can't I do and I would 2325 01:51:03,149 --> 01:51:01,630 like to give some advice to your friends 2326 01:51:06,179 --> 01:51:03,159 who love you very much friends and 2327 01:51:07,379 --> 01:51:06,189 family and and just so they understand 2328 01:51:09,629 --> 01:51:07,389 where I'm coming from they may have 2329 01:51:12,209 --> 01:51:09,639 missed what I said I did the second 2330 01:51:15,739 --> 01:51:12,219 cancer alone for a reason the first time 2331 01:51:18,419 --> 01:51:15,749 I did it my family which is huge 2332 01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:18,429 contacted me on a regular which was 2333 01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:21,070 wonderful but they were always talking 2334 01:51:26,219 --> 01:51:23,409 about the downside of cancer which it is 2335 01:51:28,919 --> 01:51:26,229 it it is it there it is only a downside 2336 01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:28,929 but there is another angle to it and 2337 01:51:35,279 --> 01:51:31,689 that is it can make you a stronger 2338 01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:35,289 person yes and so on the days that 2339 01:51:40,799 --> 01:51:37,780 you're not strong they're there for you 2340 01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:40,809 what the advice I have for your friends 2341 01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:44,590 and family having been a cancer survivor 2342 01:51:53,759 --> 01:51:49,320 twice is please do not talk to chase 2343 01:51:56,459 --> 01:51:53,769 about the downside of cancer make her 2344 01:52:00,419 --> 01:51:56,469 laugh make her feel good 2345 01:52:03,689 --> 01:52:00,429 and also above all let her know how much 2346 01:52:06,179 --> 01:52:03,699 you love her we all love her you know 2347 01:52:08,250 --> 01:52:06,189 look I never even had the privilege of 2348 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:08,260 actually talking to chase until recently 2349 01:52:13,470 --> 01:52:10,810 but I followed her and 2350 01:52:16,170 --> 01:52:13,480 all the hard work that she's done I 2351 01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,180 don't know if you realize this chase but 2352 01:52:23,220 --> 01:52:19,360 there's literally thousands of people 2353 01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:23,230 out there who follow what you do and the 2354 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:25,000 thing I wanted to make a point of I just 2355 01:52:29,490 --> 01:52:27,250 spoke to a friend Keith about this 2356 01:52:31,710 --> 01:52:29,500 recently and this ties into what I'm 2357 01:52:33,900 --> 01:52:31,720 talking about here I said there's so 2358 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:33,910 many jerks out there doing exactly what 2359 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:35,650 you know we're all talking about here 2360 01:52:41,220 --> 01:52:38,770 and he said you know what though the 2361 01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:41,230 beauty of what we're involved in is for 2362 01:52:48,030 --> 01:52:44,470 every jerk there's 500 more people who 2363 01:52:50,180 --> 01:52:48,040 care about what you do it just so 2364 01:52:52,980 --> 01:52:50,190 happens that these few jerks are loud 2365 01:52:55,410 --> 01:52:52,990 they're louder some than these quiet 2366 01:52:56,940 --> 01:52:55,420 people who want to learn more well all 2367 01:52:59,610 --> 01:52:56,950 these quiet people that want to learn 2368 01:53:03,540 --> 01:52:59,620 more we all support you we're all here 2369 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:03,550 for you chase thank you thank you so 2370 01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:07,810 much this is a it's been a good talk you 2371 01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:12,280 guys this has been a huge interview yes 2372 01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,350 it's been a fantastic and epic interview 2373 01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:16,960 thank you yeah we're glad you came on 2374 01:53:20,340 --> 01:53:18,640 chase I really appreciate we've never 2375 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:20,350 spoken directly before but I've been a 2376 01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:21,970 fan like I said since I first became 2377 01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:24,790 aware you back in your cage er a days 2378 01:53:32,250 --> 01:53:29,710 and just really exciting and I can tell 2379 01:53:34,260 --> 01:53:32,260 you you know my my I do have my problems 2380 01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:34,270 in life of course like everybody else 2381 01:53:38,910 --> 01:53:36,790 they shrink the insignificant compared 2382 01:53:42,090 --> 01:53:38,920 to what they you guys have had to deal 2383 01:53:45,210 --> 01:53:42,100 with but one thing about this field and 2384 01:53:47,850 --> 01:53:45,220 it gets me excited it that takes my mind 2385 01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:47,860 off sort of the first world problems 2386 01:53:52,290 --> 01:53:49,810 when I get to deal with but it's very 2387 01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:52,300 good for that and it seems like it's 2388 01:53:57,570 --> 01:53:54,250 helped you guys through much more 2389 01:54:00,030 --> 01:53:57,580 significant health issues and it's a 2390 01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:00,040 good thing overall you know the UFO 2391 01:54:06,030 --> 01:54:02,410 field is not perfect but by and large 2392 01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:06,040 it's very good it's very exciting it's a 2393 01:54:11,370 --> 01:54:09,130 I think it's a it can play a really big 2394 01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:11,380 role in self-actualization which I'm 2395 01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:16,000 very much a fan of and I like it and I I 2396 01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:18,280 really appreciate you coming on and 2397 01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:20,140 sharing everything that you did with us 2398 01:54:25,090 --> 01:54:22,280 answering all our questions and I really 2399 01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:25,100 appreciate thank you so much and like 2400 01:54:29,860 --> 01:54:27,500 you guys I'm not going anywhere I think 2401 01:54:32,740 --> 01:54:29,870 the same thing I love this field I've 2402 01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:32,750 been doing it since 1994 join MUFON in 2403 01:54:36,100 --> 01:54:33,650 96 2404 01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:36,110 I'm not leaving MUFON either I'm a huge 2405 01:54:42,130 --> 01:54:39,140 advocate for this amazing organization 2406 01:54:44,130 --> 01:54:42,140 that's been standing for 50 years I'm 2407 01:54:48,190 --> 01:54:44,140 going to be around for another 50 years 2408 01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:48,200 MUFON is the world's historians and 2409 01:54:55,450 --> 01:54:52,300 archivists or eyewitness investigated 2410 01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:55,460 cases and that's where our data is going 2411 01:55:00,430 --> 01:54:57,770 to be want to make it very clear 2412 01:55:03,190 --> 01:55:00,440 I love Jan Tarzan I think he's a 2413 01:55:06,370 --> 01:55:03,200 wonderful person and we continue to be 2414 01:55:08,140 --> 01:55:06,380 great friends and colleagues and we will 2415 01:55:12,580 --> 01:55:08,150 be working together on big cases in the 2416 01:55:15,790 --> 01:55:12,590 future and chant and Frank you guys are 2417 01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:15,800 so amazing we now call each other 2418 01:55:21,790 --> 01:55:19,610 friends very good friends and call me 2419 01:55:23,860 --> 01:55:21,800 for anything I can't wait to talk to you 2420 01:55:25,540 --> 01:55:23,870 both again we look forward to having you 2421 01:55:27,610 --> 01:55:25,550 again on the show change thank you for 2422 01:55:31,390 --> 01:55:27,620 your time absolutely thanks a lot thanks 2423 01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:31,400 so much guys sure thing and any final 2424 01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:33,890 thoughts there champ I just would like 2425 01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:35,390 to say it's been a real privilege and an 2426 01:55:41,410 --> 01:55:37,280 honor to have had the opportunity to 2427 01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:41,420 interview you cheese thank you 2428 01:55:46,900 --> 01:55:44,510 that honor it's been mine trust me trust 2429 01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:46,910 me guys it's totally mine and I can't 2430 01:55:54,910 --> 01:55:51,890 thank you enough again thank you alright 2431 01:55:58,030 --> 01:55:54,920 so we're gonna wrap things up and we've 2432 01:56:00,220 --> 01:55:58,040 got more shows in the pipeline very 2433 01:56:02,620 --> 01:56:00,230 exciting guests coming on and we'll keep 2434 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:02,630 it going the goal here of course is as 2435 01:56:07,260 --> 01:56:05,930 always the gain and share knowledge in 2436 01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:07,270 our case we can do it pretty well 2437 01:56:12,010 --> 01:56:09,350 instantaneously because we live stream 2438 01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:12,020 of course gain and share knowledge about 2439 01:56:16,210 --> 01:56:13,760 UFOs that's what we're here for and 2440 01:56:19,330 --> 01:56:16,220 that's what we're gonna stick to a chant 2441 01:56:20,860 --> 01:56:19,340 thanks again and enjoy the rest of your 2442 01:56:25,820 --> 01:56:20,870 weekend everybody thanks a lot bye-bye 2443 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:25,830 now and we're done